Posted on 05/20/2019 4:18:41 PM PDT by gasport
Update - As I would not be an abortee, so I would not be an abortionist.
ML/NJ
There are many moral parallels between slavery and abortion. For example, both treat the victim not as a person, but as a piece of property.
As I would not be robbed blind, I would not be a socialist.
A slave had more rights than the fetus does in the left’s America of today.
convicted murders have more rights than fetus in America today
Slaves were valuable. They were not killed at the master’s whim.
Give me a moment to get my popcorn.
Everyone has blind spots. I’m not really sure which was the bigger plank.
I don’t really care much for the puritain moralists hell-bent on running other individuals’s and society’s life.
I’m very proud to say that I’m descended from John Cooke, who was the last surviving male Mayflower passenger—he had been born in Holland and was 13 when landing in the new world.
While he eventually became a deacon in the congregation, he was excommunicated after a commission he was put in charge of to investigate congregationalist-Quaker relations concluded that the Congregationalists were oppressing the Quakers. He ended life as a Baptist minister.
New England did manage to produced some good folks, but they have had some problems with hypocrisy that go back a little ways.
The Republicans of the 1850’s were worthy heirs to a number of parts of this tradition.
It’s too bad that the Pacific kind of got in the way of the attempt to continually move farther away from New England.
Considering more people have been killed by abortion just since 1980 than all the people killed in all wars and health epidemics through all of the world’s recorded history combined, do you still feel you don’t know which “plank” is worse?
I don’t recall the anti-abortion plank in the Republican Party platforms of 1856 or 1860, or the pro-abortion planks in the Democratic platform of the same years.
Harry Blackmun, the author of Roe v. Wade, was first made a judge by Eisenhower and elevated to the Supreme Court by Nixon.
The author of the main dissenting opinion, Byron White, was appointed by JFK.
Leading me to conclude that while abortion is a bad thing, it may not be the most appropriate issue to use to evaluate Lincoln, though I’m quite willing to hear arguments to the contrary.
The fear of the slavers had a great deal to do with the success of Lincoln.
Many free citizen’s feared that the power of the slavers would allow them to
make free citizens slaves.
It’s still the Party of Abolition against the Party of the KKK.
But it’s RED HATS they are hating on today!
They haven’t been this mad since we took away their Slaves!
Now, sadly, we have new forms of slavery.
FREEING SLAVES SINCE 1865! MAGA!
I see you leave morality out of it, you’re just concerned with politics. nuf’ said. I thought you were referring to the evil of the two, not who could be “blamed” for the evils. Too much credit.
I was agreeing with post two, not trying to get into a pro-lifer than though p!ss!ng contest.
Abortion is immoral
Slavery is immoral
Subverting the constitutional order as intended by the framers is in the very least unjust
Violating the principle of subsidiarity is immoral.
There are millions of Mayflower descendants. It is worth reflecting on one’s heritage, though at the same time there is a great deal of truth in a saying of Louis L’Amour: “Ancestors are for people who have never accomplished anything themselves.”
This weekend my daughter and her husband unveiled the name of their coming daughter. They chose a name they both liked. I laughed out loud when they told me because it was an old family name going back to the 1840’s; perhaps one of the more famous relatives.
Because I did not care a lot about the whole “rich ancestor” stuff I never really talked to her about it.
Funny how it creeps up every once in a while.
The ancestors I tend to admire are the ones who got by and did a fair bit on not much. My first name is the maiden name of a great-grandmother who first had the joy of indoor running water in the 30’s at a time when my grandfather was about 12—he was the sixth of her twelve children. They didn’t bestow a great deal of material benefits on their kids, but gave them a whole lot of other things.
I believe at the time they were living in a converted chicken coop (in fairness, it seems that it had been a fairly high-end chicken coop), though that may have been the house before.
If one goes far enough back, one does find some rich people in various places (though probably not through this line), but it seems better to be able to accumulate 12 (or even 8) good kids than to be able to accumulate 8 figures on a bank account.
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