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Horrifying new video shows Aeroflot jet bouncing along runway (TR)
UK Daily Mail ^ | 05/16/2019 | Will Stewart

Posted on 05/16/2019 5:58:11 AM PDT by DFG

Horrifying new footage of the jet disaster that killed 41 in Moscow has emerged amid claims pilots made basic errors during the emergency because they were incapable of landing without the assistance of autopilot.

The Aeroflot plane can be seen bouncing down the runway before bursting into a deadly fireball at Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport on May 5.

The footage emerged as an expert claimed that the experienced captain Denis Evdokimov - hospitalised as a result of the crash - had never previously manually flown the Sukhoi Superjet 100 in so-called 'direct mode' before the crash.

A lightning strike soon after takeoff forced the pilots to make an emergency landing but this should not have led to the flames in which dozens were burned alive or killed by toxic fumes, say authoritative figures in Moscow.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: rjsimmon; TangoLimaSierra
Not once did we ever come close to stall.

Then you must have never landed a taildragger. The normal landing in a Taildragger is a Full Stall or Three Point landing. These terms are nearly interchangeable and are descriptive of the attitude of the airplane as it touches the runway.

The flight control operators (they certainly weren't pilots) flew the approach way too fast...resulting in a touchdown that's way too fast. They apparently pulled back on the yoke, trying to aerobrake. When the airplane got airborne, they pushed the yoke too far forward, porpoising the aircraft.

21 posted on 05/16/2019 7:12:29 AM PDT by FtrPilot
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To: rjsimmon

Why do you need ‘options’ a few feet off the ground? At that point you a flaring and trying to land so what options?


22 posted on 05/16/2019 7:13:16 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
I try to stall out over the numbers but then again the small planes are so light the are almost impossible to get to hold onto the ground.

I have flown in several small types and have always had at least 10 knots over stall upon landing. When we get >70% weight on wheels, we cut the power and aerobrake but never landed near stall.

23 posted on 05/16/2019 7:13:22 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: DFG

Boeing! Boeing! Boeing!


24 posted on 05/16/2019 7:13:41 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: central_va
Why do you need ‘options’ a few feet off the ground? At that point you a flaring and trying to land so what options?

You have never flown in combat, have you? At Aviano, we had bad guys surveilling the runways 24-7 from a spot right along centerline just across the road. Folks like that know how to call in mortars. No aircraft recovers from a cratered runway. Next, combat flight schedules can often call for a rapid launch/recovery cycle and another aircraft might wander onto the active.

25 posted on 05/16/2019 7:16:17 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Still Thinking; DFG; All


26 posted on 05/16/2019 7:16:49 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! New Updates on Dem-Russia collusion via Ukraine! Click ETL)
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To: C210N
piston or jet?

Both. Mostly jets but when I was doing planning for the Wing, I flew with a USAF LtCol in a piston.

27 posted on 05/16/2019 7:18:25 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: FtrPilot
Then you must have never landed a taildragger.

No, all have been trikes.

28 posted on 05/16/2019 7:18:56 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: FtrPilot
The flight control operators (they certainly weren't pilots) flew the approach way too fast...resulting in a touchdown that's way too fast. They apparently pulled back on the yoke, trying to aerobrake. When the airplane got airborne, they pushed the yoke too far forward, porpoising the aircraft.

If you are talking about the Ruskies, I completely agree. Neither of the people in the cockpit could be called pilots.

29 posted on 05/16/2019 7:20:24 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon
C-172

Ok, I do not stare at the air speed indicator once the flair is started but with full flaps extended I am sure my IAS is way above 40 knots!!! I try for around 55-60 IAS on final with full flaps and a tiny little bit of power.

30 posted on 05/16/2019 7:20:31 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rjsimmon

Umm, if you are flairing a few feet off the ground your goal is landing. Period.


31 posted on 05/16/2019 7:22:41 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Ok, I do not stare at the air speed indicator once the flair is started but with full flaps extended I am sure my IAS is way above 40 knots!!! I try for around 55-60 IAS on final with full flaps and a tiny little bit of power.

Then I would say you are doing it right. A 172 has an approach and landing speed of 60-70 knots while the stall is 40. That ain't landing at stall speed.

32 posted on 05/16/2019 7:23:43 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: onedoug

Ping


33 posted on 05/16/2019 7:24:28 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: central_va
Umm, if you are flairing a few feet off the ground your goal is landing. Period.

Of course our goal is landing, but with enough speed to regain controlled flight upon command.

34 posted on 05/16/2019 7:24:52 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon

Okay, then I say we are in “violent” agreement.

Land a good margin, as you say, with jet engines on board.

Land much closer to stall, perhaps a few knots over, for piston.

A piston you can recover a porpoising landing.

A jet you should do a bounce-n-go, and try again from scratch, due to spool-up latency.


35 posted on 05/16/2019 7:27:49 AM PDT by C210N (You can vote your way into Socialism; but, you have to shoot your way out of it.)
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To: rjsimmon

It seems to me we are discussing the final approach speed as if that is the speed when the wheels touch the runway. Can we agree that they are quite different?


36 posted on 05/16/2019 7:30:33 AM PDT by C210N (You can vote your way into Socialism; but, you have to shoot your way out of it.)
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To: central_va

37 posted on 05/16/2019 7:32:11 AM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (# of takeoffs = # of landings)
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To: rjsimmon
If you are talking about the Ruskies

Absolutely, talking about the ruskies. There is no way I would ever call them pilots. They lacked basic airmanship skills.

38 posted on 05/16/2019 7:32:37 AM PDT by FtrPilot
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To: C210N
Can we agree that they are quite different?

I will agree that they are different for the 2 major divisions of aircraft (i.e. jets and pistons) but the difference is slim when comparing percentages.

39 posted on 05/16/2019 7:32:53 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: DFG

Like a 12 yr old playing microsoft flight simulator...


40 posted on 05/16/2019 7:32:59 AM PDT by mowowie
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