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Some freeper stated the Boeing 737 Max is an inherently unstable plane due to design changes from previous Boeing 737s. That is why the plane relies so heavily on a a computer to fly straight. I understand many military planes are designed to be unstable so they can perform high G maneuvers on a dime or for reasons of the airframe is maximized for stealth. Are there other commercial jets with a design flaw like this?
1 posted on 03/13/2019 11:49:36 AM PDT by C19fan
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My understanding, and it is only from some stuff I scanned, is that to fit the new engines, they had to mess with the front to back balance, necessitating a system that would help the pilot prevent stalls.

Which suggests they made it unstable.

Reminds me of the space shuttle. It is flown by computer. If they actually tried to “stick and rudder” it, it would be impossible for a human being to keep it from crashing.


2 posted on 03/13/2019 11:52:27 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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If I read it correctly, there is a weight problem after you use up fuel.

A reasonable guess is that the center of gravity changes enough to make it unstable.


3 posted on 03/13/2019 11:52:43 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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Overregulation. Amateur Ethiopian pilots. The co-pilot had only 200 flight hours experience. FAA requires 1500 hours to be a commercial pilot in this country.


4 posted on 03/13/2019 11:53:23 AM PDT by irishjuggler
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Any plane that is currently in the air will be allowed to land ...

Wow ... that's big of them.

5 posted on 03/13/2019 11:53:28 AM PDT by BluH2o
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“President Trump said he was grounding them flights...”


7 posted on 03/13/2019 11:53:39 AM PDT by OKSooner (Green New Deal: "If you like your air conditioner you can keep your air conditioner.")
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AOC on this news: “I applaud President Trump for his vision in beginning to implement the Green New Deal. Come on, President Trump, just bring ,em all down now,”


8 posted on 03/13/2019 11:54:04 AM PDT by avenir
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Any plane that is currently in the air will be allowed to land

Mighty big of him. ;)


9 posted on 03/13/2019 11:54:09 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Here's a good presentation of the "problem" systems on the plane:

FAA vs. the rest of the world

11 posted on 03/13/2019 11:55:00 AM PDT by budj (combat vet, 2nd of 3 generations)
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Ping!


13 posted on 03/13/2019 11:56:47 AM PDT by KC_Lion (If you want on First Lady Melania's, Ivanka Trump's or Sarah Palin's Ping Lists, just let me know.)
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[ Any plane that is currently in the air will be allowed to land ]

So, no refueling receptacles, eh? (j/k)


17 posted on 03/13/2019 12:00:55 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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The major issue, in my opinion, is TRAINING, something the US airlines have down. Boeing pushed the envelope, trying to keep this as a “ plug-and-play” airplane for airlines already operating 737’s, and compete against the Airbus NEO’s, Without having to add a new type certificate and new training programs, all VERY EXPENSIVE, things to do, requiring separate pilot pools, maint programs, etc.

Operating separate types in the US is like running an airline within an airline.


18 posted on 03/13/2019 12:00:57 PM PDT by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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Anyone old enough to remember the DC-10s dropping out of the skies in the early ‘80s and the quasi-panic that ensued?


24 posted on 03/13/2019 12:08:44 PM PDT by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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Would the design flaw result in the plane being too large?


26 posted on 03/13/2019 12:12:27 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cultsther)
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That is why the plane relies so heavily on a a computer to fly straight.

Long before me it was noted that bad software design can kill people. Very true. The world we live in has its pluses and minuses.

28 posted on 03/13/2019 12:13:15 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed. A)
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Any plane that is currently in the air will be allowed to land ...

They WILL land whether they are 'allowed to' or not..............

30 posted on 03/13/2019 12:15:13 PM PDT by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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The FAA is going to make a statement this afternoon. Speculation is that a new fact from the crash site has come to light. All previous grounding decisions have been fact free political decisions. The US grounding may be the same.

The two black boxes have been recovered, but they have not yet been read. Ethiopia could not read the data, so they sent them to Germany. Germany cannot read these new type black boxes. Most likely, only the FAA or the manufacturer will be able to retrieve the data. That would be in the US.

Meanwhile, the cause of the accident can only be determined from the examination of the wreckage and from the conversations with the air controllers. The bottom line is that no one knows the cause of this accident. Politicians are hiding under their beds and making decisions based on proclamations from the media, most of whom have Journalism degrees and only know how to find their assigned seat and only if they have the right app on their iphone.


32 posted on 03/13/2019 12:17:07 PM PDT by centurion316
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Premature, IMHO.


35 posted on 03/13/2019 12:25:55 PM PDT by onedoug
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It looks like to me, they are moving airliners towards autonomous flight where no pilots are needed. This is similar to what’s going on with autonomous auto technology. Right now, the new prototype designs, like MCAS, are in the testing mode where pilots are present to override them when they fail to react to unforeseen conditions. The MCAS failure should be revealed in the data recorder information. If it reveals flaws in the MCAS system, there will be no prediction how long it will take to fix the problem. And the march to reduce airline travel cost with pilot-less flight will continue with people’s lives as the guinea pigs.


36 posted on 03/13/2019 12:31:50 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Cultural Marxism is the cult of the Left waiting for the Mothership.)
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Any plane that is currently in the air will be allowed to land...

That's might big of President Trump. I guess he could have forced them to travel to the International Space Station pending further orders.

37 posted on 03/13/2019 12:34:43 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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Any plane that is currently in the air will be allowed to land and then they will be grounded until further notice, he said.

Take-off is optional, landing is mandatory...

38 posted on 03/13/2019 12:37:06 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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