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Germany responsible for the Holocaust, not Nazis: Polish Prime Minister
The Local Germany ^ | 28 Jan 2019 | AFP

Posted on 01/30/2019 3:55:31 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

Hitler's Germany was responsible for the Holocaust, not the Nazis, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said Sunday, as Poland marked 74 years since the liberation of the Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp.

"Hitler's Germany fed on fascist ideology... But all the evil came from this (German) state and we cannot forget that, because otherwise we relativise evil..."

"The Polish state acts as the guardian of the truth, which must not be relativised in any way."

"I want to make a promise here to (preserve) the complete truth about that era," he added, in a speech in the southern city of Oswiecim to mark Holocaust Memorial Day.

Sunday's ceremony at Auschwitz was attended by a number of former prisoners at the camp.

Morawiecki's speech comes after last year's row over a Polish law that made it illegal to accuse the Polish nation or state of complicity in Nazi German crimes.

After protests from Israel and the US, Poland amended the law to remove the possibility of fines or a prison sentence.

Morawiecki appeared to be responding to an idea often mentioned in Poland, which claims that historians try to attribute responsibility for the genocide of Jews exclusively to the Nazis, without recalling the role played by the German state and Germans as a nation.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; germany; hitler; holocaust; mateuszmorawiecki; memory; nazis; poland; wwii
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To: blueplum
Lets not forget but let's not also forget German people paid for their sins under the Potsdam agreement - 12 million mostly women, old and children, forcibly relocated throughout Europe, lands, homes and personal belongings confiscated, and about 2 million mostly men but some women too, beat to death or otherwise killed from Czechosolvakia to Italy. Not including those enlisted taken out by Russian prison camps. There are plaques on houses and street signs on each street in Berlin to remind tourists and Germans on a daily basis of their role in genocide.

They also got The Marshall Plan to help build up their economy. What did Poland get? 40+ years of Soviet domination.

61 posted on 01/30/2019 8:02:47 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Yeah. You’re right though. The Austrians get a pass. I read a number of books by William L. Shier. He mentioned Austrian anti-Semitism. The Austrian Catholics were pretty vicious.


62 posted on 01/30/2019 8:06:46 PM PST by jmacusa ("The more numerous the laws the more corrupt the government''.)
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To: jmacusa
The Austrian Catholics were pretty vicious.

Well, compared to the Croat Catholics, they were angels.

63 posted on 01/30/2019 8:07:37 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: AnalogReigns
Guess that explains why Poland is the ONLY European country that has a museum specifically devoted to the history of Jewish people in their country.


64 posted on 01/30/2019 8:11:04 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Yup. The Ustasche(sp?) And don’t forget, in return for making Catholicism the official religion of Fascist Italy,Mussolini created the separate nation of The Vatican.


65 posted on 01/30/2019 8:15:03 PM PST by jmacusa ("The more numerous the laws the more corrupt the government''.)
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To: dfwgator

Yup. The Ustasche(sp?) And don’t forget, in return for making Catholicism the official religion of Fascist Italy,Mussolini created the separate nation of The Vatican.


66 posted on 01/30/2019 8:15:03 PM PST by jmacusa ("The more numerous the laws the more corrupt the government''.)
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To: jmacusa

Indeed.

Oh, and then “Father” Tiso in Slovakia, who happily sent the Slovak Jews to the Death Camps.


67 posted on 01/30/2019 8:17:03 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

That’s true. It was the Russians that blocked Poland from receiving Marshall funds. And yes, guilty, England and the US agreed, but after Russia helped end the war, they kinda sorta had to make that concession. Poland became part of the eastern bloc commie countries because a bankrupt western Europe had no taste (or financial ability) for more war, especially with Russia’s reserve of untapped manpower. It’d have been like modern Europe snowflakes trying to take on China’s militarized youth now.


68 posted on 01/30/2019 8:30:19 PM PST by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
The Poles had a lot on their minds when the Holocaust was going on, but they knew what was going on. By his standard, they're equally guilty.

One of the Polish Jewish survivors of the war who was a kid was taken to a neighboring village by his father, who knew what the Nazi invasion was going to bring on, and left his son with a non-Jewish Polish friend, who just kept him in his home and told the krauts he was the kid's father.

Within days, the kid's home village, all Jews, were rounded up by the Nazis, herded into an area, and gunned down, then buried en masse. His parents and other relatives were wiped out. He continued to pose as the nice Polish man's son (the "father" was obviously taking a huge risk), and survived the war.

The day after the massacre, they went to the local butcher shop, and the butcher was chuckling and joking about the Jews' massacre.

69 posted on 01/30/2019 8:39:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: dfwgator

I didn’t say Poland was all bad. However they have pretty much denied the complicity of (some) Poles in the Holocaust....and today Poland has a lot of antisemitism.


70 posted on 01/30/2019 8:41:24 PM PST by AnalogReigns (Pr)
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To: AnalogReigns
and today Poland has a lot of antisemitism.

It's mostly the "Mohair berets", who are dying off.

71 posted on 01/30/2019 8:45:07 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: AnalogReigns

Jews are much safer in Warsaw, than Paris, Berlin or London.


72 posted on 01/30/2019 8:46:09 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: fruser1
Yet, even under the extreme pressures of an especially cruel occupation, a great many Poles helped Jews survive, risking their lives to do so because the Nazis applied the death penalty rigorously in such cases. In some instances, entire Polish communities sheltered Jews. Thousands of Poles were executed by the Nazis for doing so.

Of those officially recognized at Yad Vashem in Israel as Righteous Among the Nations, about one quarter are Polish. It has been estimated that more than one hundred thousand Poles would qualify for that distinction if the full story were known. From one to three million Poles are estimated to have participated in a substantial manner in aiding, rescuing, and sheltering Jews, whether individually or as part of various organized efforts.

The Polish government in exile and resistance in Poland went to great effort to bring the Holocaust to the attention of the Allies. A young Polish resistance member, Jan Karski, was smuggled into the Warsaw ghetto and a transit camp associated with the death camp at Belzec. He was then brought out of Poland to provide a firsthand account of the Holocaust to the US and British governments.

They already knew, of course, and treated Karski as a nuisance and an embarrassment. Determined nevertheless to fulfill his mission of stopping the Holocaust, Karski provocatively gave news interviews and public lectures and wrote a book-length account in order to bring the Holocaust to public attention. Despite becoming a well-regarded scholar and professor at Georgetown and internationally renowned for his work during the war, Karski, a faithful Catholic, was deeply haunted to the end of his life by a sense of failure and mourned the loss of so many Jewish friends and family to the Holocaust.

As Karski posed the question, who should be more harshly judged for not stopping the Holocaust? Those leaders who were personally safe during the war but did nothing to stop the Holocaust, or those who, facing great risk to themselves and their families under Nazi occupation, did nothing or too little? And worst of all, how will Mankind be judged for the Holocaust? Will the many efforts to aid Jews and to stop the Holocaust be seen as cumulatively too slight and feeble to mitigate its moral burden?

73 posted on 01/30/2019 9:50:53 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: colorado tanker

So, they were the largest political party in Germany in other words. Some people just might call that winning an election.


74 posted on 01/31/2019 5:26:43 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Rockingham
A young Polish resistance member, Jan Karski, was smuggled into the Warsaw ghetto and a transit camp associated with the death camp at Belzec. He was then brought out of Poland to provide a firsthand account of the Holocaust to the US and British governments.

They already knew, of course, and treated Karski as a nuisance and an embarrassment. Determined nevertheless to fulfill his mission of stopping the Holocaust, Karski provocatively gave news interviews and public lectures and wrote a book-length account in order to bring the Holocaust to public attention. Despite becoming a well-regarded scholar and professor at Georgetown and internationally renowned for his work during the war, Karski, a faithful Catholic, was deeply haunted to the end of his life by a sense of failure and mourned the loss of so many Jewish friends and family to the Holocaust.

As Karski posed the question, who should be more harshly judged for not stopping the Holocaust? Those leaders who were personally safe during the war but did nothing to stop the Holocaust, or those who, facing great risk to themselves and their families under Nazi occupation, did nothing or too little?

Thanks for sharing - interesting stuff. Even today - why are so few able to see evil while it's ascending?

75 posted on 01/31/2019 9:22:24 AM PST by GOPJ (Jane Fonda spent more time in Vietnam than Nathan Phillips (Chief Ten Teeth))
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To: GOPJ

Evil often disguises itself with declarations of good purpose. In a perverted way, evil is also often urged on by idealism that is more appealing than the balancing of interests and circumstances required by convention moral reasoning.


76 posted on 01/31/2019 10:58:05 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

You’re right. Insightful.


77 posted on 01/31/2019 9:28:22 PM PST by GOPJ (Does anyone really want America to be more like Tallahassee, South Bend or Newark? - - Greenfield)
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To: DesertRhino

[Idiotic. Yes, there were a few like Reinhard Heydrich and Emil Maurice who had Jewish backgrounds. But for everyone else accepting conversion would never save your life.]


If you re-read the passage, it was a reference to what a Jew had to do to be accepted among Poles. When the Nazis overran Poland, Polish Christians with Jewish ancestry were treated as Christians by other Poles, but Polish Jews remained a persecuted class.


78 posted on 02/01/2019 3:31:45 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
When was the last time you heard a word “Germans” in reference to WW2 ? Gerries paid billions in order to replace it with “Nazis”. Unfortunately, history is for sale.

Even here, one imbecile writes that “a lot of the Poles did help the nazis”. Leaving all the other issues aside, shouldn't that be “Poles help the Germans” or... “Nazis help the Nazis” - If we're going to be consistent on that ?

79 posted on 02/03/2019 6:30:43 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: AnalogReigns

“Point is they were not the completely innocent victims in the Holocaust of the Jews as they seem to like to portray themselves today.”

During WW2 Jews killed more Poles than the other way around so one should rather keep the trap shut...


80 posted on 02/03/2019 6:34:35 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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