Posted on 01/26/2019 2:14:58 PM PST by Pontiac
Summary
Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist."
But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production.
In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state.
True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right.
He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.
Daddy also brought home a bunch of medals including some German ones. He did not earn any other than “expert rifleman”. Well he got several that everyone got.
I remember one German one which said “Winterschlact Im Osten” or something like that.
Kangas sounds like a man longing for Hitler to return with his brand of Socialism.
Who is this fool?! The Far Right and the Far Left clearly loop around and meet each other full circle. They are both Socialist because they demand social control of individual subjects. The policy, laws and tenants of the Soviets and the Nazi's mirrored each so much so that any distinction matters not at all. Did the NKVD and the Gestapo both spirit away and torture citizens? Yes they did!
[ This guy seems to have a really idealized notion of Socialism. Anyone have any idea who he is? ]
Every Socialist who believes in socialism has an idealized notion of socialism.
Because an objective audit of centralized power always shows that it is never something that ends up good for the people.
The Soviets continued to use Buchenwald after the war as an NKVD prison.
“What’s it called when the Government owns and controls half of your paycheck and uses political correctness to control thoughts.”
It’s called Democratic Progressive(ism) and equality of outcome is the shibboleth justifying its theft for the sole purpose of continuing its vice like grip on power. It is the step between socialism and democracy for people ( especially public schoolers ) on their long march to communism who don’t know that we are suppose to be a “Republic”.
“His fascism was the “Third way” of his day”
Create Weimar problems, expect Weimar solutions.
Yes. In Triumph des Willens at the 46:23 - 46:40 points Hitler tells the assembled German youth of a future Germany without class divisions.
Drug-induced ratings should not be wasting FR bandwidth...
I enjoyed Albert Speer’s book. He was the John Dean of the bunch. LOL
Hitler had Röhm killed because Röhm advocated Government-control of all German industry.
This scared the industrialists, whom Hitler needed to build his war machine, so he killed him, to gain their support.
But no doubt, the long-term goals of Röhm and Hitler were the same. Hitler would just wait until they were no longer needed.
“ on their long march to communism who don’t know that we are suppose to be a “Republic”.
The Republic is dead.
Start to think about what comes next.
Speer was a con-man who should have hanged at Nuremberg with the rest of them.
France created the mess that got them invaded
and occupied. Rarely is justice so sublime.
Seen it many times.
People can learn a lot from watching it.
My hope is that in Hell, Clemenceau and Hitler are shackled together.
We constantly argue the characteristics of left vs. right, liberal vs. conservative, socialist/communist vs. fascist etc., but we’re missing the bigger picture by focusing on minutiae. The only scale that really matters is totalitarianism/statism vs. freedom/anarchy.
Pure anarchy doesn’t work, that’s why the founders gave us a constitutional republic. Any government limits freedom to some extent, that’s the nature of government. What they were trying to give us was a government with enough structure to provide stability while avoiding the worst aspects of pure anarchy, i.e. if you don’t like your neighbor you just kill him and go about your day. As designed our government was still pretty far from pure anarchy, but it was also pretty far from the totalitarianism of the monarchs of Europe.
In their essence there really wasn’t any difference between nazism and soviet communism or a monarchy for that matter. They all maintain more or less absolute control over their subjects who are all slaves by another name. Sure the nazis might have notionally had private ownership of businesses, right up until you pissed Hitler off and you suddenly disappeared & a new owner took over. Any real differences are semantic, they’re both on the totalitarian end of the scale.
Left/right, liberal/conservative are only meaningful in the context of the time and place. That’s why we can’t agree on them, it was a different time and place.
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