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1 posted on 01/16/2019 10:05:36 PM PST by vannrox
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Re: “If Lee had won at Antietam, what we know as America might be two separate nations today.”

156 years later, that idea is sounding better and better.

Special Plea - this time, let’s avoid the gunfire and the economic destruction.


2 posted on 01/16/2019 10:30:47 PM PST by zeestephen
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I visited the Sharpsburg (Antietam) battlefield in 2010. Interestingly, corn was still being grown at the infamous Cornfield, site of the bloodiest clash of the war.


3 posted on 01/16/2019 10:33:30 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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INTERESTING. Nonetheless, The Battle at Sharpsburg, MD was AT BEST a DRAW, rather than ANY sort of Union victory.

The best that can be truthfully said was that the Union didn’t actually lose the battle. - That’s why Lincoln was able to call it a victory.

ONE thing is undoubtedly TRUE: Sharpsburg was a BLOODBATH & a HORROR SHOW for both sides.

Yours, TMN78247


4 posted on 01/16/2019 10:37:35 PM PST by TMN78247 ("VICTORY or DEATH", William Barrett Travis, LtCol, comdt., Fortress of the Alamo, Bejar, 1836)
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Thank you for posting this.


6 posted on 01/16/2019 10:51:01 PM PST by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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A battle that happened because of three lost cigars.

‘Early on the morning of the 13th, however, Cpl. Barton Mitchell of the 27th Indiana found a bulky envelope on the ground outside a recently vacated Confederate camp, inside of which was an official-looking paper wrapped around three cigars. The document concluded, “By command of General Robert E. Lee” and was signed “R.H. Chilton, Assistant Adjutant General.” The paper was quickly passed up to the corps command, where Staff Col. Samuel Pitman, who knew Chilton from before the war, verified the signature. It was an authentic copy of Special Order 191.

By late morning it was in the hands of General McClellan, who was meeting with a group of local citizens. The general quickly wired President Lincoln: “I have all the Rebel plans and will catch them in their own trap.”


7 posted on 01/16/2019 10:56:14 PM PST by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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The author is quite wrong in his assessment of the great number of missed shots. Certainly more than 95 percent missed but a great many were fired at long range. Plus there is the concept of suppressive fire so a round does not have to make a hit on flesh to be effective. I’m not sure of the wind speed throughout the day and the atmospheric conditions but black powder weapons in those numbers would often create smoke screens. These were much more experienced armies than the ones that met at First Manassas and the soldiers on both side were able to use their weapons in a capable manner.


8 posted on 01/16/2019 10:57:19 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a Russian AK-47 and a French bikini.)
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Nice camping and swimming nearby at Greenbrier State Park just up the road near Boonsboro MD.


9 posted on 01/16/2019 11:02:01 PM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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One of my ancestors was there with the 13th Mississippi, at the Dunker Church.

He survived Antietam, but not Gettysburg.


10 posted on 01/16/2019 11:03:21 PM PST by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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Also called The War of Northern Aggression by southerners.


11 posted on 01/16/2019 11:05:09 PM PST by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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"...Antietam by the numbers..."


That was a fascinating post. Thank you for sharing.

12 posted on 01/16/2019 11:24:06 PM PST by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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Meanwhile, Mary Galloway enlisted in hopes of meeting up with her boyfriend (Lieutenant Harry Barnard of the 3rd Wisconsin) on the battlefield.

https://www.lyricsfreak.com/p/peter+paul+mary/cruel+war_20107745.html

The Cruel War is raging, Johnny has to fight
I want to be with him from morning to night.
I want to be with him, it grieves my heart so,
Won't you let me go with you?
No, my love, no.

Tomorrow is Sunday, Monday is the day
That your Captain will call you and you must obey.
Your captain will call you it grieves my heart so,
Won't you let me go with you?
No, my love, no.

I'll tie back my hair, men's clothing I'll put on,
I'll pass as your comrade, as we march along.
I'll pass as your comrade, no one will ever know.
Won't you let me go with you?
No, my love, no.

Oh Johnny, oh Johnny, I fear you are unkind
I love you far better than all of mankind.
I love you far better than words can e're express
Won't you let me go with you?
Yes, my love, yes.

There are many versions of this old Civil War song, but this is the one we used to sing this at summer camp.

13 posted on 01/16/2019 11:52:01 PM PST by thecodont
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Very interesting. Thank you for the text and photos. “Trying to kill lest they be killed.” Two brutal options. War is the harmful result of poor diplomatic relations.


15 posted on 01/16/2019 11:54:52 PM PST by Falconspeed
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Bookmark.


16 posted on 01/17/2019 12:26:14 AM PST by Inyo-Mono
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From the OP “Joseph Mansfield was one of six major generals killed at the battle.”

General Mansfield, regular army, not sure of his age but way past time to retire had been bugging Lincoln for a field command. He finally received one and Antietam was his first Civil War battle as I think his corps missed the action at South Mountain.

He was deploying his troops quite a ways back from the line at the start of the battle, before it really got going, when a rebel bullet mortally wounded him. So his Civil War time on the battlefield was exceptionally brief.


19 posted on 01/17/2019 4:30:14 AM PST by fatboy
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It’s a hauntingly beautiful site and well worth visiting. The museum and lecture is very good. Plus, they have several events during the year, inclluding a great 4th of July celebration with live music, a flyover, cannon and fireworks.


24 posted on 01/17/2019 11:43:49 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("A wall, not because we hate the people outside of it, but because we love the people inside.")
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This laughable hit rate speaks to the inaccuracy of the era’s muskets.

Clearly this person knows nothing about the springfield rifle or the enfield rifle of the time. Both were deadly accurate, even by today's standards.

Civil War Enfield (Caplock)

32 posted on 01/18/2019 1:01:34 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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sfl


41 posted on 01/24/2019 2:03:02 PM PST by windsorknot
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