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Harper’s Weekly – December 25, 1858
Harper's Weekly archives ^ | December 25, 1858

Posted on 12/25/2018 7:11:59 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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Free Republic University, Department of History presents U.S. History, 1855-1860: Seminar and Discussion Forum
Bleeding Kansas, Dred Scott, Lincoln-Douglas, Harper’s Ferry, the election of 1860, secession – all the events leading up to the Civil War, as seen through news reports of the time and later historical accounts

First session: November 21, 2015. Last date to add: Sometime in the future.
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1 posted on 12/25/2018 7:11:59 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...
Santa Clause Paying His Usual Christmas Visit to His Young Friends in the United States – 2
My Christmas Song – 3
How Rich People Live in the Country in France – 3-4
Editorials – 4-5
The Lounger – 5-7
Financial and Commercial – 7
Weekly Market Summary – 7
Christmas – 8-12
Christmas Eve – 13
The Sisters – 13-14
The American Jack the Giant-Killer and the European Giants – 15-17
Chess Chronical – 18
The Bishop of London’s Charge [From Punch] – 19
2 posted on 12/25/2018 7:13:21 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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[Continued from December 24 (reply #18) .]

December 25. Christmas. Most satisfactory day. Higby preached at Trinity Chapel.

The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

3 posted on 12/25/2018 7:14:49 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Merry Christmas, Homer! I think the Bishop of London, on the last page, is saying that his clergy are too High Church.


4 posted on 12/25/2018 7:18:26 AM PST by Tax-chick (Ask me about my Marine!)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Interesting picture of Santa. Sleigh is pulled by 3 bottles of rum and a turkey...……………………………...


5 posted on 12/25/2018 7:26:46 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Tax-chick

Merry Christmas to you, too. That makes more sense than anything I could come up with.


6 posted on 12/25/2018 7:30:19 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

“Time was when it was unlawful to keep Christmas in New England. A penal enactment, were are told, actually forbade the pilgrims and their children from keeping Christmas; so closely was the day connected in their minds with the rite of the Church which they had reason to regard as their oppressor.

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The favorite dish for Christmas Day in this part of the world means to be - as on Thanksgiving Day in New England, roast turkey. It is curious to note, in this connection, that turkeys were introduced into the land of our forefathers contemporaneously with the Protestant religion.


Note here in Harpers the issue is the role of the state church. But here as history writes, the issue is paganism.

https://www.livescience.com/32891-why-was-christmas-banned-in-america-.html

Now we have a little more understanding of the 4 bottle of rum and turkey pulling the sleigh?


7 posted on 12/25/2018 7:46:31 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

It looks as though they are carrying Catholic-looking items.


8 posted on 12/25/2018 7:58:20 AM PST by Tax-chick (Ask me about my Marine!)
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To: Tax-chick

Here is the Bishop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Campbell_Tait

Note the Punch commentary is “do what you want, but don’t bring your toys into the church.”

The issue at the time was ritualism? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritualism_in_the_Church_of_England Don’t have the time to determine his position as to fer it or agin it.

This may have been his biggest sin, he was wishy washy:

Some who did not know him thought, or pretended to think, that he was a Socinian or a free-thinker. The world at large knew better; but even Frederick Temple warned him, in the case of Essays and Reviews, “You will not keep friends if you compel them to feel that in every crisis of life they must be on their guard against trusting you.”[4]


9 posted on 12/25/2018 8:23:16 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

That’s very informative, thanks.


10 posted on 12/25/2018 8:32:35 AM PST by Tax-chick (Ask me about my Marine!)
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To: Tax-chick

This is an interesting article that might give some flavor of the times. It needs to be read slowly and let your lips move. The Bishop is mentioned in the article. That the Bishop is mentioned in Harpers says it was of interest to the readers.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/5408031/Celebrating-150-years-of-ritual-riot.html

King had been rector since 1842. “The four streets within which my church is situated,” he reported, “contained 733 houses – of which 27 were public houses, 13 beer houses, and no fewer than 154 were brothels.”

His parish held 45,000 souls “of those very classes who are, alas, almost universally alienated from attendance upon the services of the Church”. He set up schools and two mission chapels, and in 1846 a choir. Weekly services increased from four to 54.

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The spark for the riots was the appointment by the churchwardens of a weekly preacher, one Hugh Allen, a fierce puritan who hated the papistry that he insisted King had fallen into. At that time, the churchwardens’ “vestry” was elected by any of the thousands in the parish. The churchwardens did not even have to be members of the Church of England.

Times never change do they. We have the same issues today. Good thing God is in charge. It could have been worse, a fight over the type of cookware in the church kitchen.


11 posted on 12/25/2018 8:50:20 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Can you add me to a ping List? I see these Harper threads every so often and I’m fascinated by it.


12 posted on 12/25/2018 9:48:38 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Thank you and Merry Christmas!!

Reading through the paper, on page 5, I noticed a story about the death of a convict named More at Auburn Prison in Auburn, NY. That was my first assignment as a new Correction Officer in 1980. Spent a little over 3 years there before transferring closer to home.

There was a story we were told when I first got to the prison, that the City of Auburn was offered the choice of being the State Capital, or having a prison. They chose the prison. Don't know how factual that is, but they say that some myths are based on part fact.

13 posted on 12/25/2018 11:49:13 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: PeterPrinciple

45,000 souls in 733 houses is more than 60 per house. Assuming many of the houses, other than those that were businesses, were divided into apartments for the poor, I guess that’s pretty reasonable.


14 posted on 12/25/2018 5:09:25 PM PST by Tax-chick (Ask me about my Marine!)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Fascinating article, and you’re right, we do have the some conflicts today in many denominations.


15 posted on 12/25/2018 5:15:21 PM PST by Tax-chick (Ask me about my Marine!)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

The romance of “The Sisters” on page 13-14 ends before we learn how it really worked out.


16 posted on 12/25/2018 5:25:52 PM PST by Tax-chick (Ask me about my Marine!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

It took me a while to figure out what your screen name is, but I finally got it to work. You’re on the new list.


17 posted on 12/25/2018 5:44:15 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Tax-chick

Does it seem incomplete? I can go back to the pdf file to get the rest if I left some out.


18 posted on 12/25/2018 5:46:51 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

No, I don’t mean that you missed anything. I mean that the story could get really interesting after the supposedly-climactic wedding, if they author had any imagination.


19 posted on 12/25/2018 5:51:01 PM PST by Tax-chick (Ask me about my Marine!)
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Continued from September 25 (reply #4). The letter from Ellen Sherman to Maria Ewing cited in the last paragraph of the excerpt was written on this date.

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James Lee McDonough, William Tecumseh Sherman: In the Service of My Country, A Life

20 posted on 12/29/2018 5:41:19 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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