Posted on 11/30/2018 10:36:42 AM PST by RoosterRedux
This guy gives a great presentation.
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Now we love today to look back at the American Civil War and because of this disparity of resources that I've already told you about think that the end of the war was inevitable and that the north would win.
Not so fast. Especially when you get the Gettysburg Campaign in 1863.
Will in the north is eroding just like the Confederates are hoping for because the cost of blood of this war is unprecedented.
You can take any major Civil War battle--you name it--Bull Run, Antietam, Gettysburg, Chancellorsville. You name the battle. That battle by itself [one of the aforementioned] one, two, three day event exceeds all the casualties the United States had in the American Revolution, The war of 1812, and the Mexican War combined.
I saw this, this one is the best. I wish he had more posted.
And yet that will continued for almost another two years and kept armies in the field significantly larger than Confederate ones up until the inevitable victory.
It may not have continued had Gettysburg went the other way. I think that is the man’s point.
Arresting Congressmen, Arresting News paper editors, arresting pretty much anyone who dared criticize the war, and yet the idea that he would order the arrest of a Supreme Court justice is crazy?
Not at all crazy. Perfectly consistent with his past behavior.
Why would losing Gettysburg been any more destructive than losing Chancellorsville? Had Lee won at Gettysburg what really would have changed? He still goes back South, Vicksburg still falls, Grant still comes east and the 1864 campaigns of Grant and Sherman still take place. And the Confederacy still loses.
Of course he did.
Arresting Congressmen, Arresting News paper editors, arresting pretty much anyone who dared criticize the war, and yet the idea that he would order the arrest of a Supreme Court justice is crazy?
I didn't say crazy. I said unsupported by solid evidence. But where has that ever stopped you in the past?
You didn’t watch the video. The man explains why in the video.
This is where the much maligned Custer saved the union by stopping Stuart. Had Custer not achieved that, Picket’s charge would have occurred in coordination with a confederate attack from the rear.
Custer saved the battle, and probably the Union. People were well aware of that back then.
Again, watch the video and see for yourself.
I said unsupported by solid evidence.
Oh, the evidence is solid. Just because the group-think historians don't want to accept it doesn't make it bad evidence. They don't want to accept it because it makes their darling Lincoln look like a tyrant. That is the only reason why they don't want to accept the testimony of Lincoln's personal body guard and friend, or the references to it by the Mayor of Baltimore in his book.
If this same evidence was applied to Jefferson Davis, they would embrace it vigorously.
Don't need to. I've read up on it enough to know that the Southron version of Vallandigham's arrest, as given in the video, and what really happened don't bear a whole lot of resemblance.
Just because the group-think historians don't want to accept it doesn't make it bad evidence.
Of course it doesn't.
There were several turning points at Gettysburg.
IMO, Had Stewart’s end around not run smack into a wildly determined Custer at Cavalry field, he would have arrived in the Union Center rear at the same time as Pickett’s troops hit the Federal line on the ridge.
Also remember that there were conscription riots going on in several major Northern cities around this time, as well.
There were several turning points at Gettysburg.
IMO, Had Stewart’s end around not run smack into a wildly determined Custer at Cavalry field, he would have arrived in the Union Center rear at the same time as Pickett’s troops hit the Federal line on the ridge.
Also remember that there were conscription riots going on in several major Northern cities around this time, as well.
Well i've never heard of it before. So did Union troops hand over a US Congressmen to the Confederates, or is that not true?
Tell us the truth about what happened.
Tell us the truth about what happened.
I suspect the truth will be wasted on you but here goes. And I'll reference a nice, neutral source - Ohio History Central
To begin with, Vallandigham was not a congressman when arrested, he was an ex-congressman having been defeated for re-election in 1862. He was not arrested on Lincoln's orders, he was arrested on the orders of Ambrose Burnside, Commander of the Department of the Ohio, for violation of General Order 38 that Burnside had issued in April 1863. It was that general order, and not any order of Lincoln's, that made declaring sympathy for the Confederate cause punishable by jail, expulsion, or even death. It was a military tribunal which convicted Vallandigham and sentenced him to prison for the duration of the war. Lincoln's sole part in this was commuting Vallandigham's sentence to deportation to the Confederate States. It's interesting to note that Vallandigham's time in the Confederacy lasted only long enough to be put on a blockade runner leaving the country; some accounts say he was under armed guard the whole time. In any case he was back in Ohio within a few months.
And the legal basis for this is what? Is there precedent for this? Has this ever happened since then? Would the courts accept these arguments now?
Wait, what? Deportation? Isn't that tacitly acknowledging them as a foreign country? You cannot "deport" someone to the same country. And what is the precedent for deporting someone who is an actual US citizen?
On the other hand, if Lincoln regarded them as US states in a condition of rebellion, is this not akin to tossing someone to a dangerous mob?
What is the legal basis for doing that? How is this legal any sort of way?
I'll take you last question because it answers the others. No, it could not happen now. An 1866 Supreme Court case, Ex Parte Milligan (71 US 2 (4 Wall.)) ruled that military tribunals, like the one Burnside established, cannot try citizens in areas where the civilian courts are in operation.
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