The Paradise Inferno (Saturbray)

www.brayincandy.com ^ | 11/17/18 | bray

[bray]

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Galatians 5:1

Oregon is used to two to five hundred square mile forest fires with their blast furnace heat, but it has never had one race through a community like the Paradise CA fire. Oregon is the American Outback where there are only four million people living in over a hundred thousand square miles. Most of the state except the western one third is barely populated so forest fires only destroy forests not people and houses.

When the Paradise fire is fully revealed there is likely to be between 500-1000 or more people burned to death and nearly 9,000 homes destroyed. It has made over 35,000 people homeless as it burned an entire town full of people to the ground. The roads leaving the town were clogged as they were one lane windy roads leading out of the community with only a couple leading out.

Many of the people were elderly and either had no knowledge of the fire or if they did were to slow to escape. Some of the more rural areas of the town had no path out and there are going to be hundreds found in their cars incinerated. Emergency responders are preparing for the worst and hoping for the best which can go up to perhaps 2-3,000 killed making this one of the deadliest natural disaster in America and certainly the deadliest fire in modern times.

The entire town of 35,000 has been destroyed in a matter of hours as a small fire fed by strong winds turned it into a deadly fire storm creating fire tornadoes which swept through the forested canyons. These fires are no longer the cleansing fires you would find in the pre-spotted owl fires, these are fourteen hundred degree blast furnaces that melt metal and houses explode from the heat. These fires are hot enough to melt lead as they travel at speeds approaching a hundred miles per hour leapfrogging in front of itself looking for more abundant fuel these forests are filled with.

This town is devastated both physically and mentally. There is no place for them to live as tens of thousands who were living in their houses two weeks ago are now living in tents as the winter closes in around them. There is nowhere for them to live as the apartments have been taken in the surrounding hundred miles so people are camping out in any yard or garage they can find to take shelter. Unlike a hurricane, there is nothing to go back to, it is all burned.

This would have never happened thirty years ago when the forests were properly managed and cared for. Now the forests are churches to worship in and not to manage. The dirt worshipers have taken over the forests and now they are dead and dying as a result leaving nothing more than a devastating fire waiting to happen. The deer, elk and wildlife are all dead now thanks to the Sierra Club and their partner groups who have made the forests off limits to real forestry management.

Prior to 1965 and the Endangered Species Act which was passed to destroy the lumber industry and did, the forests were producing bountiful amounts of lumber and was the healthiest they ever had been. The forests were rotated and healthy as the new growth was thinned and trimmed to make for the healthiest trees possible while the wildlife thrived. The waters and soils were clean as the trees held the water and filtered it with a sustainable yield as the main goal of the forest service. Fire damage has grown every year since the Act was passed.

Forest fires were maintained as there were fire breaks as well as tree spacing so if a fire did go through it could be stopped or slowed while the trees were spaced to not give the fires a chance to slow and be fought. The undergrowth and down trees were removed to prevent what we have now which is downed logs creating fuel for the fire making a monstrous campfire. The forest service now has an oil field spilling on the ground waiting for a match.

When they took the forest industry out of the forests they eliminated the only entity with the power to properly manage such a large area. There is no way to thin and manage millions of square miles without the heavy machinery to remove dead and dying trees to keep the healthy ones growing. Now you cannot walk through the forest do to dense growth and fallen trees lying everywhere, becoming fuel for the next fire. At this rate the forests will be gone in twenty years.

The answer to this problem is to get rid of the Endangered Species Act which is nothing more than a political tool to promote a Marxist country and sell the land. There is no reason for the Federal Gummit to own over fifty percent of the West. This is just another example like the VA, Medicare, Obamacare and every other DC central planned boondoggle only worse. The gummit is the problem and private ownership is the solution.

If people could come in and take care of their corner of the forest the way it should be managed the forests would be healthier than ever within ten years. Selling large tracks to the forest industry would not only clean up these forests of the dead trees on the ground and begin rotating forests it would bring badly needed revenues to the schools and roads in the rural areas. These forests could provide building products for not only America but worldwide as these are the best construction woods in the world. The forests are an oil field which is not allowed to be drilled due to the worship of the forests. Not only is it an oil field it is an oil reserve that refills every twenty to thirty years. During the heaviest harvesting prior to the Spotted Owl fraud Oregon was on a 500 year sustainability cycle and now we have better forest science than we did then.

If America had proper forest management these fires would never happen. The fires would be the lower heat variety, which are not devastating and easier to extinguish. There would be fire blocks around cities and towns and would be fuel management inside those communities. Now the REOs require more trees not less and it takes an act of Congress to remove one thanks to the tree huggers which complicated the Paradise fire.

If the Fed was serious about the Western fires they would be turning these forests over to the states to be sold or given to people to manage them properly. The ownership would lend itself to immediate improvement and the forests would be on the path to better health. The states would begin receiving revenues on land they are forced to spend resources on with no return. This would turn the revenue streams from outgoing to incoming and giving hundreds of thousands of people jobs and lifestyles they only dreamed of.

America has to choose if they want to continue to worship the forests or do they want to manage them. Do they want to be good stewards of God’s creation or are they going to continue to worship it. America is now worshiping the forests since it is part of Mother Earth and people and wildlife are dying from their worship. Which is it America walking deeper into the darkness or turn back to the Light?

Pray for America

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for the reality Meme.

I took an early retirement buyout in 1997, and my CPA told me to fish and not to work to avoid paying even higher taxes.

I listened to her and fly fished from SE Oregon to the Ca Bay area. I was able to walk in most areas and walk up to the rivers to wade and fly fish. Then, Oregone and Californicator went into not clearing brush and dead trees.

Two years later, the brush was so thick most of the areas were so thick with brush/wild berries and Poison Oak, only the bears could get to and from the rivers from the trails.

This started in Oregone and went south through Californicator land.

My wife couldn't how hazardous the brush had gotten. We went to Gold Beach and took a jet boat up stream. I knew the operator and told him to show us how thick and dangerous the brush and dead trees were on the lower Rogue.

He would get close to the shore and explained that due to the greenies, only the bears could get through the brush. When we got upstream to the first stop, my wife told me to never try fish from the shore again. Then, she understood why I only fished from our boat or a kayak. That was at the end of the 1990's. I can only imagine how bad some of the shoreline is now in both states.

[bray]

They did just fine too when man was managing them. Nice cliche though.

[CodeToad]

“They did just fine too when man was managing them. “

Nice fantasy, but, no, they didn’t.

We’ve had multiple large scale fires in “controlled” forests, far more controlled than anything Kali has ever done.

[palmer]

I’m not going to blame a fire with many causes on one air quality regulation that’s been in effect since the early 70s.

The 1973 law was about foresty practices, not air quality. The air quality act was passed in 1999 and made worse in 2011. The amount of area burned by the state dropped from 30,000 to less than 20,000 acres (drop in the bucket). Federal burning was less than 250,000 acres, well below the 500,000 the feds say is needed.

[palmer]

I’m not going to blame a fire with many causes on one air quality regulation that’s been in effect since the early 70s.

The 1973 law was about foresty practices, not air quality. The air quality act was passed in 1999 and made worse in 2011. The amount of area burned by the state dropped from 30,000 to less than 20,000 acres (drop in the bucket). Federal burning was less than 250,000 acres, well below the 500,000 the feds say is needed.

[semimojo]

Wrong, it started in state and federal forests.

No it didn’t.

It started just east of town which is private land.

[palmer]

The Camp Fire started near Camp Creek which is entirely within the national forest.

[semimojo]

The burn code you posted was first adopted in 1971.

[bray]

From 1919 to 1965 there was over 50 billion board feet of lumber harvested in Oregon with more trees available than when they started.

You look at the graphs and forests fires acres burn increased every year from 1965 on and today’s acreage is off the chart.

Namecalling is a great tactic at most sites you visit but not here.

[palmer]

In 2002, after an extensive review of the scientific literature, the Board adopted a new annual average standard for PM2.5 ppm, and retained the existing annual and 24-hour standard average standards for PM10

From https://www.arb.ca.gov/research/aaqs/common-pollutants/pm/pm.htm

[semimojo]

The Camp Fire started near Camp Creek which is entirely within the national forest.

You're right. My mistake.

[CodeToad]

750 million acres of forested lands, and you want to destroy them so that you feel all safe and cuddly?

Even at a low estimate of $10,000 per acre to clear, that’s $7.5 trillion dollars every year or two.

THAT is the type of liberal nonsense we are seeing come out of Kali and into Colorado. Keep those nutty and insane ideas in Kali.

[bray]

Did you even read the article? The solution is selling the Federal and State land to private individuals who will harvest and manage the land.

Read before you attack.