Close, but is it a cigar? 
Posted on 11/08/2018 1:53:38 PM PST by BenLurkin
By sequencing and analyzing 15 ancient genomes found throughout the Americas—six of which were older than 10,000 years—these researchers determined that, around 8,000 years ago, the ancestors of Native Americans were still on the move, migrating away from Mesoamerica (what is today Mexico and Central America) toward both North and South America. These groups moved rapidly and unevenly, sometimes interbreeding with local populations, complicating the genetic—and historical—picture even further.
The close genetic similarity observed between some of the groups studied suggests rapid migratory speed through North and South America.
The Meltzer and Willerslev team, which included dozens of researchers from institutions around the globe, also identified a previously unknown population with a distinctly Australasian genetic marker—a very surprising discovery. Found at the Lagoa Santa archaeological site, this individual lived around 10,400 years ago in what is now Brazil. The researchers were not able to detect the Australasian genetic marker in any of the other samples studied, including those found in North America.
It’s highly unlikely that this population sailed from Australia or Indonesia to South America. Rather, this group likely trekked northward from their point of origin, venturing through China and Siberia. This population likely didn’t spend too much time in North America, eventually finding their way into South America, while leaving no genetic trace of their journey—aside from this lone specimen in Lagoa Santa. [Sounds to me like they DID sail direct]
Meltzer and Willerslev don’t know if this population arrived before or after the ancestors of Native Americans. This discovery now presents a very intriguing mystery, because this group could conceivably be the first humans to reach South America.
(Excerpt) Read more at gizmodo.com ...
“gnip”
gnop?
"Why is it," he asked, "that we find remains of great sophisticated civilizations throughout Meso-America and rudimentary to almost none on the highway from the Beringian land bridge down the Pacific Coast Highway until we get to what is now Southern California where the Chumash lived and harvested leaking crude oil around what is now the Santa Barbara area to waterproof their baskets? Isn't the tendancy of civilizations to build first along the coasts where they first arrived and move inland later? Not the reverse?"
“...the ancestors of Native Americans were still on the move, migrating away from Mesoamerica (what is today Mexico and Central America) toward both North and South America. These groups moved rapidly and unevenly, sometimes interbreeding with local populations...”
Sooo...the “local populations” with whom the “ancestors of Native Americans” interbred aren’t also ancestors of Native Americans?
“It’s highly unlikely that this population sailed from Australia or Indonesia to South America. Rather, this group likely trekked northward from their point of origin, venturing through China and Siberia. This population likely didn’t spend too much time in North America, eventually finding their way into South America, while leaving no genetic trace of their journey—aside from this lone specimen in Lagoa Santa.”
That makes perfect sense.
On a more serious note, I wonder what impelled the ones who did come in from the north to keep moving south, or for that matter, east. If it was population expansion, seems like there would have been more for the archeologists to find. Or maybe not.
So Aussies could be the Native Americans?
By the way, just where is the Invasion these days? They might as well be traveling in from Mars with this media brown-out on their location day by day.
“this individual lived around 10,400 years ago in what is now Brazil”
They called themselves the “BumBum People”.
so humans move around....and indians moved around like we whites yet they are “native” and I am not.......
“It’s highly unlikely that this population sailed from Australia or Indonesia to South America. Rather, this group likely trekked northward from their point of origin, venturing through China and Siberia.”
Considering we know they were a maritime people that sailed the open Pacific ocean at least as far as Easter Island, I would think that it would actually be more likely that a few of them sailed over to South America and got stranded than that they trekked all the way in the completely opposite direction of their usual migrations to go through Alaska.
Never yell, “Hey Liz! Eat me!” to her.
why not? But what is closer is the Western Sahara in Africa (Morocco/Cape Verde). Or Iberian Peninsula (Phoenicians) skirting the African coast to Brazil. And what about Antarctica? If Africa was a moderate tropical paradise eons ago, maybe that island chain leading north from western Antarctica was habitable, too? Were they Antarcticians, frozen out by climate change? were they Phoenicians? And then consider that the Mayan gods who came from the sea from the east were blond, blue-eyed individuals who returned to the sea...
Actually SCOTUS ruled three times that “Treaty Tribes have Rights, all others have mere privileges which can be revoked at any given time”.
Does not matter whether the Tribes are a ‘voting block’ or not. They have Special Rights not granted to others ie Non-Indians - you me black yellow white tan green.
Their Rights are specifically enshrined in the Constitution while ours are just mentioned in a general way - despite claims to the contrary. SCOTUS agrees.
Courts continually rule for the Tribes even to the point of overruling SCOTUS when the plaintiff cannot afford to re-bring the case before SCOTUS. The Special Rights and Special Masters status is not political rather it is a matter of law granted on a case by case basis which usually means always.
If those other tribes are Treaty Tribes, then they fall into the above category, else they are just a body under the BLM jurisdiction. There is a difference.
Curious, this study coming out after Warren’s DNA shows Central and South American relationship.
Could this Study have been released to justify her Native American Claim?
Native Americans weren’t native? They interbred with people living there? So.....
The native peoples of North America are descendants of a lost tribe of Israel.
They are otherwise known as “Lamanites”.
Just ask the newly elected Senator from Utah. He’ll tell you.
OTOH, President U.S. Grant was very sentimental and granted recognition to a Mission Band of the the Chumash in the 1870s who got a small acerage grant just west of Palm Springs off what is now I-10. There were no more than 30 in this tribe at the time. Today, they own a luxury hotel, gas station, shopping center and casino just off the freeway and are rolling in dough. Timing is everything!
Close, but is it a cigar?
Thanks BenLurkin. Weekend comes early for the weekly Digest ping list!
t’s highly unlikely that this population sailed from Australia or Indonesia to South America. Rather, this group likely trekked northward from their point of origin, venturing through China and Siberia.
It's highly unlikely that the writer of the article, and/or his academic sources, have any idea what they're talking about, vis a vis how populations moved around in the past, even the distant past. Also, it's problematical at best to try to figure out chronology from biology.
To be a Treaty Tribe they must cite a specific treaty which includes them such as: Treaty With The Nisqualli, Puyallup, etc., 1854. pp 661-664
or
Treaty of Neah Bay, 1855
Else they are just another tribe whose existence is Federally but not Constitutionally recognized.
Federal recognition entitles a tribe to certain benefits; a Treaty Tribe has legal and Constitutional Rights. There is a vast difference.
DNA of world’s oldest natural mummy unlocks secrets of Ice Age tribes in the Americas
A legal battle over a 10,600 year old ancient skeleton — called the ‘Spirit Cave Mummy’ — has ended after advanced DNA sequencing found it was related to a Native American tribe
St John’s College, University of Cambridge
8-Nov-2018
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-11/sjcu-dow110618.php
[snip] The Fallon Paiute-Shoshone Tribe, a group of Native Americans based in Nevada near Spirit Cave, claimed cultural affiliation with the skeleton and requested immediate repatriation of the remains under the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. The request was refused because the ancestry was disputed, the tribe sued the federal government and the lawsuit pitted tribal leaders against anthropologists... The deadlock continued for 20 years until the tribe agreed that Professor Willeslev could carry out genome sequencing on DNA extracted from the Spirit Cave for the first time. [/snip]
IOW, the tribe was given veto power for 20 years, even though there was no known affinity until these alleged DNA tests were made. Thanks, McCain, for supporting an anti-scientific attempt to strengthen the inherently anti-scientific NAGPRA.
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