"I habe ein shpeer und magic helmetz!"
Posted on 10/18/2018 9:00:18 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
The Nazi years lie like a bolt over the memory of a good Germany, of the composers, poets and philosophers who gave the world so much beauty and enlightenment in the 18th and 19th centuries: Kant, Hegel, Goethe, Schiller, Beethoven, Wagner and the Romantics. Nevertheless...in only a few years, a nation of culture was turned into one of modern barbarians.
Could the philosophical abstraction, artistic elation and yearning for collective salvation that drove the country also have contributed to its ultimate derailing into the kind of mania that defined the years of National Socialism? After all, it wasn't just the dull masses that followed the Führer. Members of the cultural elite were also on their knees.
Music and the Holocaust come together in that shadow: one of the most beautiful things created by man, and one of the worst things human beings have ever done. Wagner, the mad genius, was more than a composer. He also influenced Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich, even though he was already dead when the 12-year-old Hitler heard his music live for the first time, when he attended a production of "Lohengrin" in the Austrian city of Linz in 1901. Describing the experience, during which he stood in a standing-room only section of the theater, Hitler wrote: "I was captivated immediately."
Many others feel the same way. They listen to Wagner and are captivated, overwhelmed, smitten and delighted. Nike Wagner, the composer's great-granddaughter, puts the question that this raises in these terms: "Should we allow ourselves to listen to his works with pleasure, even though we know that he was an anti-Semite?" There's a bigger issue behind this question: Can Germans enjoy any part of their history in a carefree way?
(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...
Music isn’t anti-Semitic.
Hegel brought blood
Only a leftist lauds Hegel
f you listen to Wagner, you’re a hater! I’m triggered, dang it!!
Wagner was a real jerk personally but GMAFB. He was long dead before the Nazis ever even existed.
Wernher von Braun is a rocket engineer forever associated with Hitler.
Germany is a country forever associated with Hitler.
We delude ourselves if we think inspiration comes from within ourselves. The origin of inspiration comes from “in the spirit”. What influences, us influences our creation. We do not wrestle with flesh and blood but with spirits. if the spirit that influences us is good then the nature of our creation is good. If the spirit that influences us is evil then our creation is evil
Reminds me of a note I once saw in a restroom where someone had written on a piece of paper, “If toilet is running, wiggle handel”.
Someone else wrote under that, “If I wiggle handel will he wiggle Bach?”.
LAY like a bolt ... etc.
Saw one of the early cycle wagner operas. Thought it was a giant curse on the crowd. Felt like I needed a shower afterwards
Wagner was reverse engineered by Lord of the Rings into a giant blessing.
She’s sweet on Wagner
I think she’d die for Beethoven
She loves the way Puccini lays down a tune
And Verdi’s always creeping from her room
ELO - Rockaria
Wagner’s sick mind aside, I just don’t like his music. But German/Austrian compositions of the late romantic era (Wagner, R. Strauss, Mahler, Brahms, Bruckner, etc.) aren’t my cup of tea in general.
Not every German was a Nazi. There was once a sort of nobility associated with Germany that the Nazis forever destroyed. Will some socialist arise in the U.S. as well, doing the same to our American dream? If people like Obama and Clinton get their way.
“What’s Opera, Doc?” and Ride of the Valkyries in “Apocalypse Now” is as close as I get to Wagnerian music.
Except there’s a vid of this hot Russian chick playing the Tannhauser overture on piano. Worth watching.
By the way........exactly this kind of wallowing in the misery of the past.....this ridiculous pretense that all of modern German history since the Napoleonic wars was an inevitable prelude to Hitler....what I call the “all roads lead to Hitler” idea is exactly why Germany is such a self loathing, spineless, multi-Kulti mess today despite having a lot of things going for it.
It happened. It was hideously awful but....in the end it was 12 years. It was not all of German history. It was not the inevitable product of a uniquely sick culture. Having some pride in your heritage and some self respect does not make you a Nazi. Other countries *cough* Russia, France, etc *cough* have had brutal warlike tyrants too. They moved on from them without feeling some kind of sick need to chop their own balls off to atone. It’s long past time for Germany to get over it and start acting like a normal country........that absolutely means carrying its own weight militarily instead of freeloading off of others. It also means deporting the scum of the earth they imported to take the place of the kids they never had.
Wagner: As good backwards as forwards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EbFbpZzWEs
Sure.
I imaging him spinning in his grave knowing that his music gives pleasure to this Jew.
ML/NJ
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