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Chinese spy chips are found in hardware used by Apple, Amazon, Bloomberg says; Apple, AWS say no way
cnbc ^ | Kate Fazzini

Posted on 10/04/2018 7:22:17 AM PDT by BenLurkin

The chips, which Bloomberg said have been the subject of a top secret U.S. government investigation starting in 2015, were used for gathering intellectual property and trade secrets from American companies and may have been introduced by a Chinese server company called Super Micro that assembled machines used in the centers.

Apple, AWS and Super Micro dispute the report. Apple said it did not find the chips as asserted by BusinessWeek — which cited anonymous government and corporate sources. Super Micro reportedly denied that it introduced the chips during the manufacturing.

China has long been suspected — but rarely directly implicated — in en masse spy campaigns based on hardware made there. The majority of electronic components used in U.S. technology are manufactured in China. Companies including component manufacturers Huawei and ZTE, as well as surveillance camera maker Hikvision, have all fallen under intense suspicion and scrutiny from the U.S. government in the past year.

Intellectual property theft is one of the core arguments for tough trade restrictions on China by the Trump administration.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: amazon; apple; china; chinaspying; chips; spying
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To: mad_as_he$$; BenLurkin

You can cram a lot of code in a little chip.


21 posted on 10/04/2018 7:59:31 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (News and poltiicians who ignore James O'Keefe are fake and evil.)
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To: TexasGunLover
"Apple has no idea what is in their products. Like most everyone else, Samsung and other manufacturers build the technology components of their phones."

Nope, Apple designs its own ARM CPUs and GPUs. It does have them fabbed in the Far East, similar to AMD's fabless business model.

Apple's A12 Bionic is the first 7-nanometer smartphone chip

22 posted on 10/04/2018 7:59:42 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Make America Greater Than Ever!)
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To: sevlex

‘I just read the emergency test yesterday was actually a test of these spy-chip infected systems.’

I’m willing to consider that.


23 posted on 10/04/2018 8:00:41 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (News and poltiicians who ignore James O'Keefe are fake and evil.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

“Apple designs its own ARM CPUs and GPUs.”

I imagine they can scan their code with tech similar to ‘word search’. But they can get really cozy with China sometimes. And who knows if key people were compromised?

But thank you for the information and input.


24 posted on 10/04/2018 8:02:58 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (News and poltiicians who ignore James O'Keefe are fake and evil.)
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To: Wayne07
CNBC is retarded, Super Micro is a US company based in San Jose. Though they certainly do manufacturing in China.


Founded by Charles Liang, Wally Liaw and Sara Liu on 1 November 1993,

25 posted on 10/04/2018 8:04:34 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: mad_as_he$$
Chips? Probably not. Features in coding including the CPU operating system, good chance.


Planting malware art on the chips themselves is very common and a huge problem for data and operational security.

Chips have become so complex and the circuit densities so high it's very difficult to detect the corrupt circuitry

Producing mission critical chips in places like China is a serious national security risk.

26 posted on 10/04/2018 8:08:06 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: BenLurkin

Imagine what the Brennan / CIA, and Comey/FBI might have learned about this, had they not spent all their time trying to overthrow Donald Trump?


27 posted on 10/04/2018 8:08:41 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: PreciousLiberty
Nope, Apple designs its own ARM CPUs and GPUs. It does have them fabbed [sic] in the Far East, similar to AMD's fabless [sic] business model.

Nope, check again. They don't build them.
28 posted on 10/04/2018 8:12:57 AM PDT by TexasGunLover
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To: rdcbn

That is one of the reasons for the large military budgets, chip replacement and that is probably why the new Beast was delayed for the last year 1 1/2


29 posted on 10/04/2018 8:18:41 AM PDT by Despot of the Delta
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To: az_gila

born in Taiwan, Masters at UT Arlington, founded company in California.


30 posted on 10/04/2018 8:26:19 AM PDT by Wayne07
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To: Despot of the Delta
Yeah. Rumors are that the big Chinese data theft from Lockheed Palmdale was from an approved, supposedly secure thumb drive with spy malware hard wired in the actual chip circuitry, not the software
31 posted on 10/04/2018 8:36:27 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: BenLurkin

It will be painful to the wallet but we need to stop sourcing all our electronic products through Chinese factories. They are not trustworthy players. If you want a cheap knock-off phone that may have spy chips in it, I’m sure you’ll still be able to get a Chinese phone. But if you want a phone or a PC that isn’t relaying everything to Beijing via Chinese made chips, we’d have to open some microelectronics plants that WE control and build them there. And that will add a lot of cost due to the fact that we don’t use slave labor. So be it.


32 posted on 10/04/2018 8:38:46 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

You might be surprised. Modern CPU’s have a large amount of micro code.


33 posted on 10/04/2018 9:58:56 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: rdcbn

+.


34 posted on 10/04/2018 10:00:04 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: TexasGunLover
"Nope, check again. They don't build them."

I didn't say they "build" them. I said they "design" them. That was in response to your statement:

Apple has no idea what is in their products. Like most everyone else, Samsung and other manufacturers build the technology components of their phones.
Of course they know what's in their products, and Samsung in particular has nothing to do with the CPU or GPU.
35 posted on 10/04/2018 11:25:52 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Make America Greater Than Ever!)
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To: PreciousLiberty
Of course they know what's in their products, and Samsung in particular has nothing to do with the CPU or GPU.

Nor does Apple, or the chip in question in the article.
36 posted on 10/04/2018 11:28:53 AM PDT by TexasGunLover
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To: BenLurkin

Anybody believe that the Chinese government could insert a “chip” into an Iphone at the factory, and that Apple somehow missed that inside that tiny case in the QC process? That somehow the point on the assembly line where it was inserted, and the billion chips somehow escaped notice?

PT Barnum was right.


37 posted on 10/04/2018 8:27:31 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: DesertRhino

You do realize that chip engineering occurs at nano scale these days? And they’re 3-Dimensional structures? Hiding circuitry is not only possible, it has been occurring for years. They’re not building chips with soldering irons and magnifying glasses anymore.

PT Barnum isn’t even known to the current generation.


38 posted on 10/04/2018 8:47:16 PM PDT by antidisestablishment ( Xenophobia is the only sane response to multiculturalismÂ’s irrational cultural exuberance)
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To: mad_as_he$$; All

Update:

Some people speculated that the national alert was to test Chinese spy chips.

Confirmation:

Mystery disruption for cell networks after presidential alert text...

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/regions-cell-networks-disrupted-after-presidential-text-alert/

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And I suspect that our fleet massing off China’s coast is related to this as well as Pence’s speech yesterday. In fact, it could even be tied to taming North Korea.

~~~

If anyone is interested, I’m starting up an electronic warfare ping unless someone else has something along those lines going.


39 posted on 10/05/2018 2:54:59 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (News and poltiicians who ignore James O'Keefe are fake and evil.)
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