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How Amtrak Fails the National Parks and America
National Parks Traveler ^ | 8 August 2018 | Alfred Runte, Ph.D.

Posted on 08/11/2018 10:50:54 AM PDT by Publius

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I recommend viewing the article at the “National Parks Traveler” website because of the wonderful illustrations, especially those by my colleague J. Craig Thorpe.

In the interest of full disclosure, I edited this piece with Dr. Runte (“RUNT-ee”). I’ve known Al for a decade. He was a professor of history at the University of Washington before they pushed him out for refusing to be politically correct. He’s the author of books on the national parks and the role the railroads played in creating and nurturing them. The two books mentioned in this article are among those he has written.

I long suspected that the creation of Amtrak was a policy mistake. In 2001, I began working on paradigms by which Amtrak could be zeroed out and the passenger trains returned to the freight railroads in such a way that they could make a profit. I came up with four proposals over 17 years. The second proposal had enough promise that a former chairman of the Federal Railroad Administration permitted me to present it at a symposium in 2005 at the Rayburn Building in DC – only to have it crushed by the Norfolk Southern and the United Transportation Union.

Al disposed of my fourth proposal, based on outsourcing, last year, saying, “The unions will never allow your outsourced train to leave the station.” So I encouraged Al to write this article.

1 posted on 08/11/2018 10:50:54 AM PDT by Publius
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To: Publius

This is made all the more depressing when you see how glorious the trains and railway systems are in other countries, even those which are supposedly a lot more behind than ours in other ways.

And most depressing if you live in Los Angeles and the infrastructure of EVERYTHING is going to *beep* and the streets are becoming de-facto open-air refugee camps with all the homelessness that’s quadrupled.


2 posted on 08/11/2018 10:54:48 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: Publius
Were the Empire Builder, like the Southwest Chief, to be scuttled, another great park would be isolated.

the empire builder runs through the least populated part of Montana. For years advocates have called for it to run the southern route Billings-Bozeman-Helena-Missoula but to deaf ears

3 posted on 08/11/2018 10:59:31 AM PDT by Godzilla ( I just love the smell of COVFEFE in the morning . . . . .)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

thats what happens when the government tries to run a railroad...


4 posted on 08/11/2018 11:00:33 AM PDT by redhead (PRAYfor little ones in pedo pipeline: child livestock: raped, tortured, and satanically sacrificed.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Oddly enough, the City of Southern California has rediscovered the utility of rail in moving people around a densely populated area -- light rail, heavy rail metro, and heavy rail commuter. Many of the old abandoned Pacific Electric lines have come back in the modern era.

As the more recently built urban areas densify, rail is showing what it can do to move people around efficiently.

5 posted on 08/11/2018 11:02:24 AM PDT by Publius
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To: Publius
I wonder what percentage of the cost to run amtrack comes form tickets? If it can not pay its own way why should the taxpayers be robbed again to keep a dinosaur alive?
6 posted on 08/11/2018 11:03:24 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Godzilla
Once upon a time the southern route of which you speak was served by the Hiawatha trains on the Milwaukee Road, at least until the early Eighties. Both trains need to run, but not as a government-operated railroad.
7 posted on 08/11/2018 11:04:14 AM PDT by Publius
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To: Publius

Great post and a great read, especially the historical details that got us where we are today. The bologna being served up as prime rib by the current AMTK leadership is even more appalling than the story allows in the allegory of the German traveler. Throw in the dining service cuts (boxed lunch anyone??) and the entire house of cards collapses of its own weight. Special thanks for exposing the total BS on the NEC being “profitable” as so much humbug.


8 posted on 08/11/2018 11:04:31 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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From the article: “A train to Grand Canyon? Actually, we deserve three — one every morning, afternoon, and evening. And that’s another thing about Amtrak — often its only train arrives in the dead of night.”

I’ve looked at a few train trips. Problem is there is only one train. You want to see the scenery? How do you do that when the train travels through there at night? How about leaving the train when it gets into a town in the evening, spend the night in a hotel, get on another train in the morning to continue the journey? Can’t do that. All the trains are on the same schedule.


9 posted on 08/11/2018 11:06:44 AM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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Another thing. Would love to take a train from Alabama to Fort Lauderdale. Sure, you can do it if you want to go through DC. Makes for a very long trip.


10 posted on 08/11/2018 11:08:14 AM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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To: DugwayDuke
Once upon a time, the Sunset Limited ran from Los Angeles to Jacksonville, and you could switch at J-ville to one of the Silver Service trains to points south. That ended with Hurricane Katrina, and the CSX has no interest in restoring service for the Sunset east of New Orleans.
11 posted on 08/11/2018 11:13:22 AM PDT by Publius
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To: Publius

All good fun, but the minute they dumped everything west of Chicago, Amtrak ceases to be a national system funded for everyone. Change it into a system where the whole country funds Transportation infrastructure for the Northeast Corridor, and Western senators and Congressmen have zero reason to vote for it.


12 posted on 08/11/2018 11:16:01 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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Second, who cares if the train is a few hours late? Corridor riders care; they’ve missed their meeting. Tourists are seldom in a rush.

This one item tells you everything you need to know about the demise of the passenger railroad industry. It's a dying industry that is being propped up by a disappearing group of aging passionate advocates.

The author misses the point completely. Congress isn't killing intercity passenger rail. The airline industry already did that. Amtrak's last hope is to take advantage of the dysfunction in the airline industry and focus its efforts on capturing passengers who are sick of airline travel -- especially for intermediate-length trips between major cities.

13 posted on 08/11/2018 11:19:37 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("The Russians escaped while we weren't watching them ... like Russians will.")
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To: Publius

Does this involve the Autotrain?


14 posted on 08/11/2018 11:21:07 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: redhead
thats what happens when the government tries to run a railroad...

Except the Soviet-era metro...is quite stunning. It's like one of their most tangible achievements!

15 posted on 08/11/2018 11:23:02 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: Guenevere
The Autotrain is an Amtrak service that runs nonstop from Lorton (VA, near DC) to Sanford (FL, near Orlando). The proposal is to move that into cost-plus-7-percent territory just like the other long distance trains.

Ironically, it's one of few Amtrak trains that shows a consistent profit.

16 posted on 08/11/2018 11:24:29 AM PDT by Publius
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To: Publius

As a railfan, I’d love to see more passenger trains. I know FReepers will hate it, but when Tampa has worse train service than Burlington VT, something’s wrong. I’d love to see the Sunset Limited to Orlando. A Chicago to Florida train. A New York to Maine train and New York to St. Louis train.


17 posted on 08/11/2018 11:26:17 AM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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To: Publius

I love train travel, but it is so limited as far as destinations are concerned.

We recently took a vacation in New Orleans. My mother and sister came by train because my mother does not want to fly ever again. We would like to treat my mother to a trip to Yellowstone, but there seems to be no train service there.

There is no cost savings of taking the train vs. flying. I suppose there would be if we traveled coach, but that would be very uncomfortable for a trip lasting several days.

I would like to see Amtrak restructured so that it can be profitable. I also would like to see the dining service stay. The chefs on board are awesome.


18 posted on 08/11/2018 11:30:51 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Deplorable American1776
Back in the old days, passenger trains were subsidized by the Post Office Department. Every passenger train had an RPO (railroad post office) car. When the airlines got the mail contract in 1967, the passenger trains lost their government subsidy, and the freight railroads began abandoning them in droves. This was why Amtrak was created. "We'll take the passenger trains off your hands," the government said, "provided you give them priority dispatching." Today, only BNSF honors that agreement.

Under cost-plus-7-percent, each passenger train makes a profit, and the more passenger trains you run, the more profit you make.

That may be how all the routes you desire can come back.

19 posted on 08/11/2018 11:31:50 AM PDT by Publius
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Well, just as long as they don’t use a wood burner in one of the longer tunnels that are meant for Diesel...


20 posted on 08/11/2018 11:35:40 AM PDT by left that other site (For America to have CONFIDENCE in our future, we must have PRIDE in our HISTORY... DJT)
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