Posted on 08/05/2018 4:19:47 PM PDT by BenLurkin
The Cessna 414 declared an emergency and went down at a mall parking lot near John Wayne Airport at 12:28 p.m., the Federal Aviation Administration said.
The twin-engine aircraft crashed near South Coast Plaza in the 3900 block of Bristol Street, said Tony Bommarito, a spokesman for Orange County Fire Authority.
The incident happened in the parking lot of a Staples store, spokesman Stephen Consiglio told the Los Angeles Times. The plane hit a vehicle but nobody in the car was hurt, Consiglio added.
The crash did not ignite a fire.
The aircraft was heading to John Wayne Airport, but it was unclear where it was coming from, airport spokeswoman Deanne Thompson said.
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That one was caused by 757 wake turbulence. See my post #13.
I did a measurement on Google Maps and those runways are only 500 feet apart.
Ahh, my bad...I was wrong on which crash. Snyder’s plane crashed in a field (link above).”
I was on the 55 north of Edinger when the crash occurred. I thought I saw a smaller plane follow close and low behind a passenger jet but did not witness the crash.
Check out the path on Flightaware. The small plane was making right traffic.
Would think that an onboard computer would calculate the weight carried, the headwinds, the average fuel consumption per minute etc and loudly warn the pilot when he was down to 10 minutes of fuel. Doesn’t such software exist?
At a fuel burn rate of 34 GPH, a two hour trip with a one hour reserve would be 612 pounds of avgas. The useful load on the 414 is 2,200 pounds. Full fuel load is 1278 pounds, and the full fuel useful load is 929 pounds.
If the PIC had 2 hours plus one reserve, he could have carried 1,588 pounds of pax, and cargo.
The fuel burn rate is 17 GPH per engine, at 75% cruise. 75% would probably be achieved at about 8,000 MSL provided the engines are not turbocharged. I think RAM can provide that service for a quadrillion bucks.
Something else is amiss, or the PIC was a dumbass.
At the CAP we have the 180hp Penn Yan conversion, and have a full fuel load of 1,021 lbs. Great plane to fly....of course it is all steam gauges. I think flat panel avionics, maybe G1000 (as old as that is) would probably give more payload potential.
Yes, it does exist. Right between the pilots’s shoulders.
Not anymore
Here’s the location on Google Maps:
Not the exact site of the crash. The crash occurred in the shopping center northeast of your location, east of Bristol and north of Sunflower.
In some of the photos you can see a Buffalo Wild Wings and Staples. The parking lot where the aircraft crashed also serves a CVS drug store and Wells Fargo Bank.
Thanks.
It does seem like that would be an unusual approach since someone said smaller aircraft use the left runway.
Its a quote from an old flight instructor, and only to be taken as a note of caution.
When I flew in the past I planned on my range based on fuel burn and time. If VFR I always used IFR rules for fuel burn and to get to an alternative. It is just plain damn sense. Actually, flying IFR even if the weather is VFR is much safer. ATC knows how much fuel and time you have on board and they give your separation from other aircraft. They will help you. With the rare exception of some duffas, they are the good guys.
Once I was flying up to Coloradan and encountered head winds in excess of forecasts. I had decided to divert to another airport for fuel. ATC then reminded me of my theoretical fuel left and time aloft. I had already made the decision but it was good to know that ATC was there for me. ATC can piss you off at times, but they do “have your back.”
Certainly not if the altitude is 5000 ft and the temperature 100 degrees.
“Fuel mismanagement “is the most common cause of private plane crashes. The second is flying into weather conditions the pilot is not trained for ( think JFK jr.)
How do you compensate for a warm day, say 90 degrees or so)?
video shows plane nosedive before deadly crash in Southern California
Dash Cam A: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/plane-crash-santa-ana-california-video-shows-fall-victims/
Dash Cam B: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfr6QaKAMuE
No fire? Sure sounds like fuel exhaustion. Thanks for sharing the videos ... wow.
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