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From Michael Denton’s Evolution: A Theory in Crisis with a brief commentary from Matt Chait:

To grasp the reality of life as it has been revealed by molecular biology, we must magnify a cell a thousand million times until it is twenty kilometres in diameter and resembles a giant airship large enough to cover a great city like London or New York. What we would then see would be an object of unparalleled complexity and adaptive design. On the surface of the cell we would see millions of openings, like the portholes of a vast space ship, opening and closing to allow a continual stream of materials to flow in and out. If we were to enter one of these openings with find ourselves in a world of supreme technology and bewildering complexity. We would see endless highly organized corridors and conduits branching in every direction away from the perimeter of the cell, some leading to the central memory bank in the nucleus and others to assembly plants and processing units. The nucleus of itself would be a vast spherical chamber more than a kilometer in diameter, resembling a geodesic dome inside of which we would see, all neatly stacked together in ordered arrays, the miles of coiled chains of the DNA molecules. A huge range of products and raw materials would shuttle along all the manifold conduits in a highly ordered fashion to and from all the various assembly plants in the outer regions of the cell.

We would wonder at the level of control implicit in the movement of so many objects down so many seemingly endless conduits, all in perfect unison. We would see all around us, in every direction we looked, all sorts of robot-like machines. We would notice that the simplest of the functional components of the cell, the protein molecules, were astonishingly, complex pieces of molecular machinery, each one consisting of about three thousand atoms arranged in highly organized 3-D spatial conformation. We would wonder even more as we watched the strangely purposeful activities of these weird molecular machines, particularly when we realized that, despite all our accumulated knowledge of physics and chemistry, the task of designing one such molecular machine – that is one single functional protein molecule – would be completely beyond our capacity at present and will probably not be achieved until at least the beginning of the next century. Yet the life of the cell depends on the integrated activities of thousands, certainly tens, and probably hundreds of thousands of different protein molecules.

We would see that nearly every feature of our own advanced machines had its analogue in the cell: artificial languages and their decoding systems, memory banks for information storage and retrieval, elegant control systems regulating the automated assembly of parts and components, error fail-safe and proof-reading devices utilized for quality control, assembly processes involving the principle of prefabrication and modular construction. In fact, so deep would be the feeling of deja-vu, so persuasive the analogy, that much of the terminology we would use to describe this fascinating molecular reality would be borrowed from the world of late twentieth-century technology.

What we would be witnessing would be an object resembling an immense automated factory, a factory larger than a city and carrying out almost as many unique functions as all the manufacturing activities of man on earth. However, it would be a factory which would have one capacity not equalled in any of our own most advanced machines, for it would be capable of replicating its entire structure within a matter of a few hours. To witness such an act at a magnification of one thousand million times would be an awe-inspiring spectacle.

To gain a more objective grasp of the level of complexity the cell represents, consider the problem of constructing an atomic model. Altogether a typical cell contains about ten million million atoms. Suppose we choose to build an exact replica to a scale one thousand million times that of the cell so that each atom of the model would be the size of a tennis ball. Constructing such a model at the rate of one atom per minute, it would take fifty million years to finish, and the object we would end up with would be the giant factory, described above, some twenty kilometres in diameter, with a volume thousands of times that of the Great Pyramid.

Copying nature, we could speed up the construction of the model by using small molecules such as amino acids and nucleotides rather than individual atoms. Since individual amino acids and nucleotides are made up of between ten and twenty atoms each, this would enable us to finish the project in less than five million years. We could also speed up the project by mass producing those components in the cell which are present in many copies. Perhaps three-quarters of the cell’s mass can be accounted for by such components. But even if we could produce these very quickly we would still be faced with manufacturing a quarter of the cell’s mass which consists largely of components which only occur once or twice and which would have to be constructed, therefore, on an individual basis. The complexity of the cell, like that of any complex machine, cannot be reduced to any sort of simple pattern, nor can its manufacture be reduced to a simple set of algorithms or programmes. Working continually day and night it would still be difficult to finish the model in the space of one million years.
- Michael Denton’s Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (Adler and Adler, 1985)


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And let me add my two cents to this astounding picture. The model that you would complete a million years later would be just that, a lifeless static model. For the cell to do its work this entire twenty kilometer structure and each of its trillions of components must be charged in specific ways, and at the level of the protein molecule, it must have an entire series of positive and negative charges and hydrophobic and hydrophilic parts all precisely shaped (at a level of precision far, far beyond our highest technical abilities) and charged in a whole series of ways: charged in a way to find other molecular components and combine with them; charged in a way to fold into a shape and maintain that most important shape, and charged in a way to be guided by other systems of charges to the precise spot in the cell where that particle must go. The pattern of charges and the movement of energy through the cell is easily as complex as the pattern of the physical particles themselves.

Also, Denton, in his discussion, uses a tennis ball to stand in for an atom. But an atom is not a ball. It is not even a ‘tiny solar system’ of neutrons, protons and electrons’ as we once thought. Rather, it has now been revealed to be an enormously complex lattice of forces connected by a bewildering array of utterly miniscule subatomic particles including hadrons, leptons, bosons, fermions, mesons, baryons, quarks and anti-quarks, up and down quarks, top and bottom quarks, charm quarks, strange quarks, virtual quarks, valence quarks, gluons and sea quarks…

And let me remind you again, that what we are talking about, a living cell, is a microscopic dot and thousands of these entire factories including all the complexity that we discussed above could fit on the head of a pin. Or, going another way, let’s add to this model of twenty square kilometers of breath taking complexity another one hundred trillion equally complex factories all working in perfect synchronous coordination with each other; which would be a model of the one hundred trillion celled human body, your body, that thing that we lug around every day and complain about; that would, spread laterally at the height of one cell at this magnification, blanket the entire surface of the earth four thousand times over, every part of which would contain pumps and coils and conduits and memory banks and processing centers; all working in perfect harmony with each other, all engineered to an unimaginable level of precision and all there to deliver to us our ability to be conscious, to see, to hear, to smell, to taste, and to experience the world as we are so used to experiencing it, that we have taken it and the fantastic mechanisms that make it possible for granted.

My question is, “Why don’t we know this?” What Michael Denton has written and I have added to is a perfectly accurate, easily intelligible, non-hyperbolic view of the cell. Why is this not taught in every introductory biology class in our schools?
- Matt Chait


1 posted on 07/25/2018 2:07:56 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander

Short answer - no, as he never was truly relevant in the Grand Scheme of things...


2 posted on 07/25/2018 2:11:45 PM PDT by heterosupremacist (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. - (Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Heartlander
He is a Fellow with Discovery Institute’s Center for Science & Culture.

Can you name for me one scientific discovery that has been made at the Discovery Institute?

3 posted on 07/25/2018 2:12:56 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Heartlander

A good writer. So I say Yes.


4 posted on 07/25/2018 2:14:58 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Heartlander

Absolutely, Darwin is relevant in the minds of sycophants who are too belligerent or brainwashed to accept the only rational Truth-—that there is a God of Creation. Darwin fits their views of a changeable, perfectible humanity for whom God and sexual morals are irrelevant, and Christianity does not.


6 posted on 07/25/2018 2:16:25 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("Words with lightness thus endowed Formed melodies, I know not how." Al Stewart from "The Elf")
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To: Heartlander
One thing scientists cannot figure out is how the right side of our body and the left side of our body comes out that way as in a mirror.

It is a mystery involving our DNA.

Evolution is still only a theory.

7 posted on 07/25/2018 2:16:39 PM PDT by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: Heartlander

He’s extinct Jim.


9 posted on 07/25/2018 2:20:15 PM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: Heartlander

Brilliant and more elegant than any art, this design that engenders life. Intelligent design should be the starting point in biology.

The way it’s taught, though, is as if the instructor makes up a multiple choice test, minus the correct answer. Biology education walks around, decapitated — and doesn’t seem to realize it.


12 posted on 07/25/2018 2:24:02 PM PDT by Migraine
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To: Heartlander

Human beings possess an exceptional ability to believe falsehoods.


14 posted on 07/25/2018 2:27:04 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Heartlander

Half his theory was correct, the part about natural selection mutating species. The rest is total garbage.


17 posted on 07/25/2018 2:32:25 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Heartlander

Somewhere I have that Michael Denton book...


19 posted on 07/25/2018 2:39:38 PM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is mine. #FreeTommy)
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To: Heartlander

I learned evolution in High School and accepted it as true. Let’s consider that a presentation of one side of the debate. Many have insisted that this one side only be taught in our schools. That has been the practice for decades. It is dogma. So perhaps no one should be surprised that some people are dogmatic in its defense.

Icons of Evolution replied to the text books, case by case. I found some parts of Icons more persuasive than others. I’ve read various books challenging evolution, or advancing intelligent design.

I am aware of several biologists who take biological evolution as a given, then move on to explain everything through “evolution.” As for those who challenge biological evolution, they think a sneer will suffice.

I don’t think sneers, mockery, or snotty comments count for anything. Plus they are a real turn off. Can anyone point me in the direction of a proponent of biological evolution who respectfully considers the arguments of skeptics and provides a quality response?


24 posted on 07/25/2018 3:11:56 PM PDT by ChessExpert (NAFTA - Not A Free Trade Agreement)
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To: Heartlander

Good post.


27 posted on 07/25/2018 3:24:15 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Heartlander
A proof or disproof is a kind of a transaction. There is no such thing as absolutely proving or disproving something; there is only such a thing as proving or disproving something to SOMEBODY'S satisfaction. If the party of the second part is too thick or too ideologically committed to some other way of viewing reality, then the best proof in the world will fall flat and fail.

In the case of evolution, what you have is a theory which has been repeatedly and overwhelmingly disproved over a period of many decades now via a number of independent lines reasoning and yet the adherents go on with it as if nothing had happened and, in fact, demand that the doctrine be taught in public schools at public expense and that no other theory of origins even ever be mentioned in public schools, and attempt to enforce all of that via political power plays and lawsuits.

At that point, it is clear enough that no disproof or combination of disproofs would ever suffice, that the doctrine is in fact unfalsifiable and that Carl popper's criteria for a pseudoscience is in fact met.


The educated lay person is not aware of how overwhelmingly evolution has been debunked over the last century.

The following is a minimal list of entire categories of evidence disproving evolution:

The decades-long experiments with fruit flies beginning in the early 1900s. Those tests were intended to demonstrate macroevolution; the failure of those tests was so unambiguous that a number of prominent scientists disavowed evolution at the time.

The discovery of the DNA/RNA info codes (information codes do not just sort of happen...)

The fact that the info code explained the failure of the fruit-fly experiments (the whole thing is driven by information and the only info there ever was in that picture was the info for a fruit fly...)

The discovery of bio-electrical machinery within 1-celled animals.

The question of irreducible complexity.

The Haldane Dilemma. That is, the gigantic spaces of time it would take to spread any genetic change through an entire herd of animals.

The increasingly massive evidence of a recent age for dinosaurs. This includes soft tissue being found in dinosaur remains, good radiocarbon dates for dinosaur remains (blind tests at the University of Georgia's dating lab), and native American petroglyphs clearly showing known dinosaur types.

The fact that the Haldane dilemma and the recent findings related to dinosaurs amount to a sort of a time sandwich (evolutionites need quadrillions of years and only have a few tens of thousands).

The dna analysis eliminating neanderthals and thus all other hominids as plausible human ancestors.

The total lack of intermediate fossils where the theory demands that the bulk of all fossils be clear intermediate types. "Punctuated Equilibria" in fact amounts to an attempt to get around both the Haldane dilemma and the lack of intermediate fossils, but has an entirely new set of overwhelming problems of its own...

The question of genetic entropy.

The obvious evidence of design in nature.

The arguments arising from pure probability and combinatoric considerations.

Here's what I mean when I use the term "combinatoric considerations"...

The best illustration of how stupid evolutionism really is involves trying to become some totally new animal with new organs, a new basic plan for existence, and new requirements for integration between both old and new organs.

Take flying birds for example; suppose you aren't one, and you want to become one. You'll need a baker's dozen highly specialized systems, including wings, flight feathers, the specialized system which allows flight feathers to pivot so as to open on upstrokes and close to trap air on downstrokes (like a venetian blind), a specialized light bone structure, specialized flow-through design heart and lungs, specialized tail, specialized general balance parameters etc.

For starters, every one of these things would be antifunctional until the day on which the whole thing came together, so that the chances of evolving any of these things by any process resembling evolution (mutations plus selection) would amount to an infinitessimal, i.e. one divided by some gigantic number.

In probability theory, to compute the probability of two things happening at once, you multiply the probabilities together. That says that the likelihood of all these things ever happening, best case, is ten or twelve such infinitessimals multiplied together, i.e. a tenth or twelth-order infinitessimal. The whole history of the universe isn't long enough for that to happen once.

All of that was the best case. In real life, it's even worse than that. In real life, natural selection could not plausibly select for hoped-for functionality, which is what would be required in order to evolve flight feathers on something which could not fly apriori. In real life, all you'd ever get would some sort of a random walk around some starting point, rather than the unidircetional march towards a future requirement which evolution requires.

And the real killer, i.e. the thing which simply kills evolutionism dead, is the following consideration: In real life, assuming you were to somehow miraculously evolve the first feature you'd need to become a flying bird, then by the time another 10,000 generations rolled around and you evolved the second such reature, the first, having been disfunctional/antifunctional all the while, would have DE-EVOLVED and either disappeared altogether or become vestigial.

Now, it would be miraculous if, given all the above, some new kind of complex creature with new organs and a new basic plan for life had ever evolved ONCE.

Evolutionism, however (the Theory of Evolution) requires that this has happened countless billions of times, i.e. an essentially infinite number of absolutely zero probability events.

I ask you: What could be stupider than that?

Fruit flies breed new generations every few days. Running a continuous decades-long experiment on fruit flies will involve more generations of fruit flies than there have ever been of anything resembling humans on Earth. Evolution is supposed to be driven by random mutation and natural selection; they subjected those flies to everything in the world known to cause mutations and recombined the mutants every possible way, and all they ever got was fruit flies.

Richard Goldschmidt wrote the results of all of that up in 1940, noting that it was then obvious enough that no combination of mutation and selection could ever produce a new kind of animal.

There is no excuse for evolution to ever have been taught in schools after 1940.

28 posted on 07/25/2018 3:35:00 PM PDT by ganeemead
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To: Heartlander

Magnificent post, and easily one of the best things I have ever read on this website.

Intelligent Design is, without doubt, the most intriguing, most awe inspiring subject in science today.


29 posted on 07/25/2018 3:42:00 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Heartlander
Darwin didn’t know why children resemble their parents. Nor did he know much about the enormous complexity of the processes happening in the womb during the nine months of gestation. He had no knowledge of antibodies, hormones, enzymes, nerve conduction, glucose metabolism, electrolyte maintenance, oxygen-carbon dioxide balance, chromosomes, temperature regulation, or clotting factors. Just to name a few.

Copernicus didn't know about black holes or the big bang or exoplanets.

Neither did Kepler or Galileo or Newton.

Yet they accomplished a lot and we shouldn't begrudge them some respect.

Is "relevance" really the right question to ask?

That we aren't arguing whether the sun circles the earth or whether other planets have moons or why objects fall down and fall at the same rate makes Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler and Newton "irrelevant," but also incredibly significant in human history.

30 posted on 07/25/2018 3:42:08 PM PDT by x
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To: Heartlander
Michael Denton is interesting of course, but he would be put down as a creationist and so ignored by the evolution crowd.

I prefer to quote from the introduction to Coyne and Orr's Speciation:

So begins The Origin of Species, whose title and first paragraph imply that Darwin will have much to say about speciation. Yet his magnum opus remains largely silent on the "mystery of mysteries," and the little it does say about this mystery is seen by most modern evolutionists as muddled or wrong.
ML/NJ
34 posted on 07/25/2018 4:00:57 PM PDT by ml/nj (.)
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To: Heartlander
It is if you live in the Northern Territory of Australia.

Wait, they meant the 19th-century scientist (the second-most-famous man born on February 12, 1809).

37 posted on 07/25/2018 4:41:24 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Heartlander
There was a lot of mysticism and far too many guesses in 19th century. The time has come to modernize his views.

This is the classic faith/science divide.

The author, viewing evolution only through the lens of religion, can't accept that Darwin isn't deified by modern scientists.

Darwin is rightly respected but the idea that his views haven't been "modernized" in the last 160 years could only come from someone who thinks all wisdom is received wisdom.

Certainly not from anyone with the slightest familiarity with evolutionary biology.

41 posted on 07/25/2018 6:03:11 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: Heartlander

the topic of evolution vs. creationism is fascinating to me but what explains the diversity of life on Australia and elsewhere?


45 posted on 07/25/2018 8:01:35 PM PDT by Mean Daddy (Every time Hillary lies, a demon gets its wings. - Windflier)
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To: Heartlander

Is Charles Lyell still relevant?


59 posted on 07/26/2018 11:36:38 AM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's socialist colony)
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