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Presenting the Soviet loss of 600,000 “liberators” as noble made my stomach churn, as it would every single one of the many Polish people I know. It was a price Stalin was prepared to pay for the hostile invasion and 45-year subjugation of a sovereign state of more than 30 million people. I strongly suggest the author educate himself on the true facts. I recommend the excellent work Trail of Hope by Professor Norman Davies, and the Sikorski Museum in London.

The present-day nationalist backlash is a result of decades of communist lies and brainwashing. Unfortunately, such an aggressive attempt to erase the communist past is likely to ratchet up tensions and make conflict more likely. Much better to let these monuments decay naturally, to symbolise the decline and fall of the aggressively imperialistic but inherently rotten and mendacious USSR.

Christopher Cytera
Cambridge

1 posted on 07/20/2018 5:16:51 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Keep the monuments - use them as teaching points.

This stuff happened.


2 posted on 07/20/2018 5:22:35 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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p11

Then there's the Soviet statue in Seattle.

4 posted on 07/20/2018 5:31:43 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I wish the world went after the Communists with as much passion as we’ve gone after the Nazis the past 75 years.


5 posted on 07/20/2018 5:32:25 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Yes, Liberals, I question your patriotism)
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To be fair, we could keep the monuments, but instead of using them to “honor” the Communists, we’d use them to remind them of the lack of respect for life the Communists had, depicting the soldiers as in the wrong, yet at the same time victims of Communism in a way (since several of them largely did their actions because they were essentially forced to, not because they actually wanted it). At least it’s not a statue of Stalin or, God forbid, Lenin that they’re keeping up as a monument.

Of course that being said, it’s probably for the best if we just tear them down, history or not. After all, Karl Marx learned quite a bit about the French Revolution and Reign of Terror, and I’d suspect from his comments about “not caring less” if they’re viewed as monsters upon reenacting 1793 after taking the helm that he was at least familiar with various barbaric stuff they did including the Vendee and General Louis Grignon’s infamous torch operations there, yet he not only advocated reenacting the Reign of Terror, but even going as far as to make it even more gory than back then. Sartre made similar remarks when voicing his support for the death penalty as well. And Foucault arguably took it even further than them and advocated instead that they reenact of all things the September Massacres to allow for popular justice. Man, those guys really seem to make the old saying “those who don’t know their history are doomed to repeat it” seem like meaningless dreck, especially when they clearly knew history yet STILL aimed for repeating it anyway.


6 posted on 07/20/2018 5:33:24 PM PDT by otness_e
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My Dad fought in the Liri Valley during the 4th assault on Cassino, May 1944. He had great admiration for the Polish soldiers who were fighting in Italy. I’m sure they hoped that the western alliance would keep Russia honest, but that they were not surprised by the Russia betrayal that came in August. Russia delayed its advance into Warsaw so that the Nazis could crush the Warsaw uprising,making it easier for them to subjugate the Poles. President Trump did not collide with Russia, but the Russian government is filled with corrupt murderous thugs led by a empire-building sociopath. Not unlike the Democratic Party. Never trust a Russian or a Democrat.


9 posted on 07/20/2018 5:40:16 PM PDT by littleharbour ("You take on the intel community they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you" C. Schumer)
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The Gulags were every bit as horrible as the Holocaust and on a similar if not greater order of magnitude. There are not as many photographs and documentaries about it but one unique first hand account stands out: Danzig Baldaev's eyewitness illustrations Drawings from the Gulag. Scroll through the pictures at that link for a taste. Google will bring you dozens more.

Of course we have Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's iconic written accounts too. But the visuals of Baldaev's illustrations really shock you to the core.


 

11 posted on 07/20/2018 5:49:02 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (MAGA in the mornin', MAGA in the evenin', MAGA at suppertime . . .)
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Lech Walesa knew too well about the Soviet atrocities. He had to walk on egg shells in order to win Poland it’s freedom during the Soviet collapse, especially with the communist puppet Wojciech Jaruzelski, who should have been executed for treason by Polish patriots.


17 posted on 07/20/2018 6:31:06 PM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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Respect the graves of those Soviet soldiers who died pushing the Nazis out of Poland. Most of those poor souls were simple peasants. They were caught up in a conflict not of their making.

And leave alone any monument marking their sacrifice. But tear down - at once - any monument glorifying Stalin or communism.


18 posted on 07/20/2018 6:50:23 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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“...Unfortunately, such an aggressive attempt to erase the communist past...”

It’s NEVER a bad thing to “aggressively erase communists”.

They deserve it.


25 posted on 07/20/2018 8:56:14 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The end of Katyn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1aFsh5WLII


27 posted on 07/20/2018 9:11:30 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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I saw several plots of buried USSR soldiers and their monuments, while in Poland. They are being left to rot. I had commented on them as we passed them. The old polish saying,”We fought the Germans for revenge, the Russians for fun.” (I don’t remember the exact words but it was like that.)


30 posted on 07/20/2018 9:30:19 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (?? forgetaboutit.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Whatever
If it were not for Hitlers tremendous losses in the winter of 42 trying to take Stalingrad. WWII may have been far different
The Russians were allies in defeating the Nazis


36 posted on 07/20/2018 10:35:21 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Bkmrk.


38 posted on 07/20/2018 10:47:17 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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The soviets and the nazis.

Not a dimes worth of difference.

46 posted on 07/21/2018 3:55:20 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Bunnies, bunnies, it must be bunnies!! Or maybe midgets....)
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