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Why you might want to wrap your car key fob in foil
wsbtv ^ | Jul 8, 2018 - 6:40 PM | Phoebe Wall Howard,

Posted on 07/09/2018 8:16:52 AM PDT by BenLurkin

Given that the best way to store your car keys at night is by putting them in a coffee can, what's an ex-FBI agent's advice to protect cars from theft during the day? Wrap car fobs in aluminum foil.

“Although it's not ideal, it is the most inexpensive way,” said Holly Hubert, a cybersecurity expert who retired in 2017 from the FBI in Buffalo, New York. “The cyber threat is so dynamic and ever changing, it’s hard for consumers to keep up.”

Now, as CEO of GlobalSecurityIQ, she suggests clients go online and spend a few dollars and buy what’s called a Faraday bag to shield the fob signal from potential theft. Imagine a traditional sandwich bag made of foil instead of plastic. Thing is, the car is always waiting for the fob signal. Thieves can buy legitimate devices that amplify the fob signal sitting unprotected in a purse, a pocket, on a counter at home or even just copy the code to access the vehicle.

Copying code from key fobs isn’t difficult. And this is something the auto industry and insurance companies are monitoring closely.

The cheap (or homemade) metal protection covers, named for the scientist who figured out how to block an electromagnetic field, can prevent thieves from having access to vehicles with a wireless fob. Currently, thieves can capture fob signals from outside a home, office or hotel room.

“You know it works if you can’t unlock a car door when the fob is inside,” said Moshe Shlisel, CEO of GuardKnox Cyber Technologies and a veteran of the Israeli Air Force who helped develop cyber protection for fighter jets and missile defense systems . “The credit card holders don’t work because they’re essentially a net rather than a wall.”

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: carkeys; cartheft; cybersecurity; faradaycage; foil
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To: Daffynition
Yeah, if you have had it for months you probably should toss it.

Fat absorbs flavors and so it has picked up everything that has been stored with it.

61 posted on 07/09/2018 11:02:26 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Bunnies, bunnies, it must be bunnies!! Or maybe midgets....)
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To: BenLurkin

The fob is not transmitting 24X7


62 posted on 07/09/2018 11:03:32 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

In the late fall, I could leave it out for a soon to hibernate black bear.

We have no shortage of bear in these parts.


63 posted on 07/09/2018 11:07:15 AM PDT by Daffynition (Rudy: What are you up to today? :))
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To: BenLurkin

Everyone make sure you’re nice and terrified of your new technology.


64 posted on 07/09/2018 11:07:19 AM PDT by discostu (Every gun makes its own tune.)
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To: Daffynition
They would probably enjoy it as would the raccoons.

Just don't pour it in your compost heap.

65 posted on 07/09/2018 11:12:52 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Bunnies, bunnies, it must be bunnies!! Or maybe midgets....)
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To: MeganC

A Mechanic can simply install a hidden off/on switch in the starter solenoid circuit.


66 posted on 07/09/2018 11:21:14 AM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope.)
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To: goodnesswins
is a car key fob constantly sending? Or just when you use it?

Only when you use it. I think the difference is keyless ignition where the car interrogates the fob. But with the unlocking fob like most of us have, the only time it is turned on is when we press the button.

67 posted on 07/09/2018 11:21:59 AM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: TomGuy
The credit card chips have no battery and no power inductor coil (unlike RFID). So when they are not connected to a reader, they have no power, and do nothing. Nobody can read them at a distance.

The card readers are more secure. I don't believe it is possible to clone a reader and even if they did they would only get one fraudulent transaction. The private key on the chip is always safe. In contrast the rogue swipe strip readers could read your credit card strip and then make unlimited transactions with the information.

68 posted on 07/09/2018 11:27:33 AM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: AppyPappy
The fob is not transmitting 24X7

No doubt. But that's because it has a button to press to transmit. The keyless ignition fobs have no button. While they also don't transmit 24x7 I think they can be interrogated at any time.

69 posted on 07/09/2018 11:57:01 AM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: BenLurkin

If you have a keyless start fob, a safe portable tin container is available on Amazon. Search for (Aluminium Cosmetic Container Silver). I use something similar that I purchased from EBAY. I put some felt inside the can to lessen rattle noise. Make sure you buy the can with the screwable lid. BTW, I am a retired EMC Engineer with much experience with RFI, etc.


70 posted on 07/09/2018 12:34:34 PM PDT by Rodd OB
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To: palmer

Thx


71 posted on 07/09/2018 1:17:41 PM PDT by goodnesswins (White Privilege EQUALS Self Control & working 50-80 hrs/wk for 40 years!)
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To: exnavy
There is no “Key fob” for a 1997 ford ranger.

None for a '94 Toyota 4X4 either. First world problems. I've never understood why people would buy into all of this electronic crap in their vehicles. Maybe I don't see all the shiny. KISS! Keep it simple stupid!

72 posted on 07/09/2018 1:25:57 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Apparently I voted demoncrat for 40 years. They all wore 'R' jerseys! 'R'atpublicans!)
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To: Do_Tar

LOLOL!!! Perfect!


73 posted on 07/09/2018 1:37:25 PM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: goodnesswins

We have a 10 x 12 storage shed for all that other stuff.


74 posted on 07/09/2018 2:48:10 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Mears

We have a 10 x 12 storage shed for all that stuff. Our expensive cars are in the garage. A the end of 10 years, which is about how long we keep a car, it’s very obvious they’ve been garaged their whole life.


75 posted on 07/09/2018 2:50:51 PM PDT by sheana
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To: AppyPappy

The fob is not transmitting 24X7


It depends upon what kind.

There’s the kind you are referring to, which only does something when you push the button.

There’s also the kind which let anyone with a fob just walk up, pull the handle to open the door, and push a button to start the car - while merely carrying the fob. It is most likely only this latter kind which is being spoken of.


76 posted on 07/09/2018 3:36:56 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: BenLurkin
put a $2.00 switch under the dash
77 posted on 07/09/2018 3:53:38 PM PDT by Chode ( WeÂ’re America, Bitch!)
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To: BlackbirdSST

And when you drive a 20 year old vehicle, no one trys to steal it. Simple and inexpensive to keep running. I live the KISS principle in daily life.


78 posted on 07/10/2018 12:18:20 AM PDT by exnavy (America: love it or leave it.)
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To: hdbc

“I wonder, does the guy in the song actually drive the Red Barchetta or is he just “ dreaming with his uncle by the fireside” about driving it.”

Interesting - I’ve never though of that. I would guess not - but I’ve guessed wrong lots of times too! I suppose he is dreaming about what it was like in the old days and all the freedom his uncle had.

And yes - what with automated cars, mass transit, etc. - folks ARE talking about this sort of stuff. I don’t see it happening in America though. One - it is part of who we are (yes, that can change I suppose), but - it is a long ways with not much of anything between Seattle and Minneapolis. Other than a nice car ride with some tourist attractions. Although I suppose some would prefer to get in their transport pod, go to sleep and wake up in time for breakfast in Missoula.

As for the Rush song - I prefer the live versions!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eULGEKncHvI


79 posted on 07/10/2018 12:40:44 AM PDT by 21twelve
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To: steve86

Come to think of it, neither did a couple of the cars I used to have. Could be a “feature” on different models/makes. Ours are Fords, and unlock when you touch the door if your fob is in your pocket or close by. No hard key any more, just a “Start” button.


80 posted on 07/10/2018 10:03:24 AM PDT by HeadOn (Funny how common sense works when you try it.)
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