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Baseball shifts are as bad as Free Speech?
freerepublic.com ^ | 6/23/2018 | a little elbow grease

Posted on 06/23/2018 4:25:05 AM PDT by a little elbow grease

There is a haunting stirring in the baseball community to establish that fielders defensive “shifts” should be against the rules.

From BusinessInsider.com: “MLB's New Commissioner Is Open To Banning Defensive Shifts To Increase Scoring — Here's A Simple Way To Do It.”

Does this seem to anyone else as more than heavy-handed, almost totalitarian???

Do you suppose that they also will want to impel OUTFIELDERS NOT TO SHIFT, play deeper in the outfield when a power hitter comes to the plate?

Do they suppose to suggest that when a sacrifice bunt is most likely about to be attempted, that the first and third basemen should NOT BE PERMITTED to creep in toward the plate in order to get the ball and throw out the runner at second base for a force play?

Should outfielders not be permitted to shade toward the right field line when a strong left handed pull hitter comes to the plate? My, my.

Baseball has been shifting since Ted Williams and even before that. Now that we realize its effectiveness, we exploit the advantage. Personally, I don't think that this particular strategy EVER should be made illegal.

As a baseball fan said on reddit.com: “People hate the shift when their team hits into it, but love it when the opposing team hits into your shift. It's a part of the game now. Hitters will just have to adjust.

As Wee Willie Keeler used to say, “ Keep your eyes clear, and hit’ em where they ain’t: that’s all.”

I’ll just say this now …………. I find this idea of restrictions on defensive players’ shifts to be about the most ignorant, idiotic, witless, reactionary, vacuous, mindless, unintelligent, half-baked, harebrained, imprudent, unwise, and foolish idea of which I have ever heard.

“If all seven position players want to form a human pyramid behind second base then they should be allowed to.” LOL

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LEAVE THE GAME ALONE …………… and hit’ em where they ain’t.


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To: Alberta's Child

“Sacrifice bunts disappeared in all but a very limited set of circumstances involving a pitcher at the plate or a scenario late in a game where one run could end the game.”

They are routine in the National League, even today. It’s rare to see a NL game without a sac bunt.


121 posted on 06/23/2018 7:47:23 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/CG_career.shtml

.... for reference

122 posted on 06/23/2018 7:47:37 AM PDT by a little elbow grease (Zip ties and duct tape are far more productive than pussy hats and #metoo tweets)
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To: a little elbow grease

I don’t care for the shifts either, a good savvy hitter will learn to go the opposite way against the shift but some will say you are still beating him by not letting him hit with power if he is a power hitter.


123 posted on 06/23/2018 7:47:41 AM PDT by wild74
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To: Mariner
The action is the pitching.

If you don’t appreciate that, you should find another sport.

THAT is exactly why I did.

124 posted on 06/23/2018 7:48:10 AM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: Mariner
That's because pitchers bat in the NL. This doesn't just force the strategy when the pitcher himself is at the plate, but because low-scoring games are more common you're more likely to see teams play for a single run even in the fifth or sixth inning.

Sacrifice bunts are actually counter-productive most of the time on a good offensive team. Moving a runner to second base on a bunt opens first base up and gives the defensive team a big incentive to intentionally walk a good hitter.

125 posted on 06/23/2018 7:52:26 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.")
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To: Alberta's Child

I’m thinking Aaron Boone is a unique case, and probably committed to using computer stats in his interview.

For the most part the skipper still makes the call. He may ask for data, and he may ask opinions from his other coaches, but he makes the call.


126 posted on 06/23/2018 7:54:51 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: a little elbow grease
Well, that too, and don't get me started on aluminum bats !  :-\
127 posted on 06/23/2018 7:55:46 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: a little elbow grease
If baseball bans defensive shifts, I'll stop watching it—ermanently—because the sport will have ceased to be "baseball" in any meaningful way. I've never heard of a more ridiculous thing in my entire life.

Hopefully, the MLB Commissioner will abandon this idiocy as soon as a few actual baseball fans are polled, whereby this patently asinine notion will be laughed out of the room...

128 posted on 06/23/2018 8:06:42 AM PDT by sargon ("If the President doesn't drain the Swamp, the Swamp will drain the President.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Just count each run for 2 points. Bases empty homerun is worth 2 runs. Grand slam is 8 runs....ez


129 posted on 06/23/2018 8:08:27 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Just count each run for 2 points. Bases empty homerun is worth 2 runs. Grand slam is 8 runs....ez


130 posted on 06/23/2018 8:08:37 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: a little elbow grease

Unsportsmanlike. It’s the baseball version of icing the kicker


131 posted on 06/23/2018 8:16:56 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: a little elbow grease; Mariner; All
The most intriguing idea I've ever heard for adding excitement and offense to the game of baseball was a topic of discussion here in the NYC area on sports radio a few weeks ago:

Eliminate the batting lineup.

It sounded preposterous at first, but as I learned more details it began to make more sense. The general idea is:

1. There is no set order for a team to send its batters to the plate. The manager sends up his leadoff hitter, and then selects each batter after that however he sees fit.

2. This would make each inning very unpredictable, and it would be much harder for a pitcher to work through a "weak" part of a lineup.

3. Every player has to bat in a normal "batting cycle." That is, a player can't bat for a second time until everyone in the lineup has batted at least once, and so on. It's just that the order can change from one inning to the next.

4. This forces managers to weigh risk-reward options at every step of the game. If it's the top of the first inning and your first two batters are out, why send up a #3 hitter who is usually one of the best hitters in your lineup with the bases empty and two outs? Save him for the second inning! Send up your weakest hitter instead. In the National League, this might be the ideal spot to send your pitcher up to the plate instead of waiting until he becomes a rally-killer in the second or third inning.

5. The "Earl Weaver Rule" would still be in effect. That's the rule MLB adopted to deal with a bizarre lineup strategy the old manager deployed a few times back in the 1970s. Under this rule, every player in the starting lineup must bat at least once unless the opposing team changes pitchers.

6. This "open-lineup" concept would be a great weapon to diminish the effectiveness of relief pitchers late in the game. It's impossible for a manager to set up left-right relief pitcher sequences late in the game if he doesn't know which hitters are coming up next!

Any thoughts on this, baseball fans? LOL.

132 posted on 06/23/2018 8:17:40 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.")
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To: Mariner

There’s a suspicion that GM Brian Cashman is really managing the team and making all the on-field decisions.


133 posted on 06/23/2018 8:18:39 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Whoa.
That just reignited last night’s scotch buzz.....I’m a little dizzy now....


134 posted on 06/23/2018 8:25:12 AM PDT by LakeEffectLad (American's are Dreamers, too!!)
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To: Alberta's Child

“Any thoughts on this, baseball fans?”

Who leads off the second inning? Anyone who didn’t bat in the first?


135 posted on 06/23/2018 8:33:09 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
Yes!

It sounds ridiculous because we've gotten so used to dealing with fixed batting lineups, but it certainly adds an element of unpredictability to the game of baseball.

136 posted on 06/23/2018 8:39:08 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.")
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To: Alberta's Child

To me, it’s like defecating after you shower.

It just doesn’t feel right.


137 posted on 06/23/2018 8:40:18 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
I know. But at one time neither did night baseball, airline travel for road trips, and Japanese players in MLB. LOL.

The big question should be: Would it work?

In the context of this discussion, it's no less ludicrous than a proposal to regulate the alignment of players on the field.

138 posted on 06/23/2018 8:43:43 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.")
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To: a little elbow grease

Calling Good People “Racist” Isn’t New: the Case of Ty Cobb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzbJn2UAoIs

Also clears up a lot of other nonsense about the Georgia Peach.


139 posted on 06/23/2018 8:55:32 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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To: Rome2000

Two rules for outfielders:

1.) Catch the damn ball

2.) Never throw behind the runner


140 posted on 06/23/2018 8:56:48 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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