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Angela Merkel dashes Emmanuel Macron’s eurozone dreams
politico.eu ^ | June 5, 2018 | Matthew Karnitschnig and Pierre Briançon

Posted on 06/04/2018 11:50:06 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

... In Berlin, Macron’s proposals were met with a combination of skepticism and fear, especially among Merkel’s conservative base.

Though no country has benefited more than Germany from the currency union, many Germans remain convinced that much of the rest of Europe — particularly the Mediterranean states — is trying to pick its pockets. The Greek bailouts, which cost Germany little in the grander scheme of things, only hardened that impression.

In fact, for much of the German establishment, Macron’s ideas are nothing less than an open invitation to raid Berlin’s treasury.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.eu ...


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To: SunkenCiv

If you say so.

I don’t know why the fuss then.


41 posted on 06/05/2018 12:18:00 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (alea iacta est)
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To: Berlin_Freeper; All

‘Germany MUST have last word’ Macron SWEPT AWAY by ruthless Merkel in EU clash

... Head of the Official Monetary and Financial Institutions Forum, David Marsh, said the chancellor had brutally shown she would not budge.

He said: “Sovereignty rules.

“She has made it absolutely clear that the German parliament must have the last word whenever it comes to spending the money of German taxpayers. This is the crucial point.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/969624/EU-reforms-Merkel-Macron-EU-news-eurozone-budget-EU-budget/amp


42 posted on 06/05/2018 8:33:03 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (alea iacta est)
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To: SunkenCiv

FYI, 4 of 5 of your bottom links to sources are broken.
Don’t know about the rest.


43 posted on 06/05/2018 8:41:11 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (alea iacta est)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
But aren’t a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in charge?
Actually, they aren’t. When people talk about “the unelected bureaucrats of Brussels”, they usually mean the European commission. The commission is an organisation like no other: more than a civil service but less than a government. Composed of 28 commissioners – one from each country – the commission drafts, enforces and monitors EU laws. But it does not pass laws.

... The commission cannot foist laws upon EU member states. For example, the commission spent eight years trying to get EU countries to agree to a law on cleaning up Europe’s contaminated soils, but eventually withdrew the bill in the face of an immovable blocking majority, which included the UK.


44 posted on 06/05/2018 8:51:28 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (alea iacta est)
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To: Berlin_Freeper; SunkenCiv; All
A popular claim by many supporters of the Leave campaign is that the EU is run by ‘unelected bureaucrats’. How much truth is there behind that claim?
This claim mainly refers to the EU Commission: the EU’s executive body. It is true that the Commission President and the individual Commissioners are not directly elected by the peoples of Europe. So, in that sense, we cannot “throw the scoundrels out”. It is also true that under the provisions of the EU treaty, the Commission has the sole right to propose EU legislation, which, if passed, is then binding on all the EU member states and the citizens of these member states.

Also, ‘proposing’ is not the same as ‘deciding’. A Commission proposal only becomes law if it is approved by both a qualified-majority in the EU Council (unanimity in many sensitive areas) and a simple majority in the European Parliament. In practice this means that after the amendments adopted by the governments and the MEPs, the legislation usually looks very different to what the Commission originally proposed.

But, that’s not the end of the story. First, the Commission’s power to propose legislation is much weaker than it at first seems. The Commission can only propose laws in those areas where the EU governments have unanimously agreed to allow it to do under the EU treaty. Put another way, the Commission can only propose EU laws in areas where the UK government and the House of Commons has allowed it to do so.

So much for any rubber-stamp talk.
45 posted on 06/05/2018 8:58:50 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (alea iacta est)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Family of Angela Merkel
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The family of Angela Merkel, the Chancellor of Germany, is of German and Polish descent.

Ludwig Kasner (né Ludwik Marian Kaźmierczak; born 1896 in Posen, German Empire (now Poznań), died 1959 in Berlin) was the paternal grandfather of Angela Merkel. He served as a soldier in the Polish Blue Army which took part in Poland's struggle for independence.

46 posted on 06/05/2018 9:10:04 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (alea iacta est)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Oh. What are Christians big on?
No, not whipping up baseless hate, like some apparently like to do while repeatedly posting about Christian values, but Mercy and Charity...

3 May 2017 - The EU as a whole — the European Commission together with the Member States — is the world's largest humanitarian aid donor. The European Commission provides life-saving assistance around the world. This assistance is carried out in partnership with UN agencies, NGOs and international organizations such as the Red Cross.

47 posted on 06/05/2018 9:23:32 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (alea iacta est)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
May 29, 2018 - 10 key findings about religion in Western Europe
... non-practicing Christians (that is, those who attend church no more than a few times a year) outnumber church-attending Christians (those who attend church weekly or monthly).
I go to Church about 4 times a year (my wife and child a lot more), once a season. I consider that practicing. I am 53, a husband, a father, I don't do drugs or drink, I am home at night, I am not A Player. If I felt I needed church more I would do that. I am practicing!

Still some interesting numbers there that are good to know. Doesn't look so bad to me, especially when you hear talk about "Godless Europe".

48 posted on 06/05/2018 9:42:49 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (alea iacta est)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Since they are the only source of legislation, so much for your ridiculous rationalizations. The EU Commission isn't liable or accountable to the people who have the misfortune to live under its rule.

49 posted on 06/05/2018 11:26:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

In post 38? All five of the bottom topic links are open right now in my browser tabs. They’re all FR topics in that list of links. They are opening a bit slowly, but I thought that was due to my poky DSL.


50 posted on 06/05/2018 11:29:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Right back to what I said initially that apparently caused so much puzzlement. Germany and France tried to impose a financial transactions tax, and the UK refused. That contentious meeting probably contributed to support for Brexit. Now the need [sic] for greater financial commitments to hold the whole Frankenstein's monster together and keep it electrified will not be forthcoming -- it was different when Sarkozy and Merkel thought they could browbeat Cameron, now it's just Macron and Merkel, while smaller states are flipping off the EU, leaving nowhere to raise the money to keep the occupied countries (Italy and Greece, Greek Cyprus) under control.

51 posted on 06/05/2018 11:37:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ridiculous nothing. You said the EU is a rubber-stamp and I showed you it clearly is not. Now you are claiming? What exactly??


52 posted on 06/06/2018 12:34:22 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (alea iacta est)
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To: SunkenCiv
I reported to you the sources of the links you gave are broken. I am probably the only one who will ever have clicked them so it is no big deal. Just thought you might like to know.
53 posted on 06/06/2018 12:38:31 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (alea iacta est)
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To: SunkenCiv
Brexit and the UK have nothing to do with what I posted there.

The post you responded to makes clear Merkel is protecting the sovereignty of German government funds. Have a thought to spare about that? You know, since that is what this thread is actually about?

Oh wait. You did say Merkel is a liar. Very mature.

You also posted that the EU is all about taking away sovereignty. I showed you are wrong. Now we know that there most definitely is a line drawn. Surely you must be happy knowing this now? You are welcome.

Cameron was pleased with the deal he negotiated with the EU and campaigned on it. That hasn't and never will change, so you are still wrong about the UK being ganged up on.

54 posted on 06/06/2018 1:02:38 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (alea iacta est)
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To: SunkenCiv
leaving nowhere to raise the money to keep the occupied countries (Italy and Greece, Greek Cyprus) under control.
Occupied countries... OK, you are a nut job.

"Merkel is a liar" but you are fine.

55 posted on 06/06/2018 1:07:17 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (alea iacta est)
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To: SunkenCiv
Why are you posting about an expected Mumbai-style terror attack in 2009 that did not happen in this thread?

The source of the excerpt goes to a current events main page.

This is just one example. Why the many others while we are at it?

56 posted on 06/06/2018 1:25:04 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (alea iacta est)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Oh, well, the underlying links are broken on topics that are from some years ago. Stop the presses, that never happens on the internet.

Your venom shows you’re not to be taken seriously, your lack of comprehension does too. You keep shifting your arguments because of your own venom and lack of comprehension, so, buh-bye.


57 posted on 06/07/2018 5:09:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

You are sensitive for a guy referring to me as ridiculous and confused, when that actually applies to you.

Posting those countries are occupied is crazy. I’ll take it that’s why you didn’t answer how come you are posting those links. You know, like the terror attack that did not happen, from 2009 (cue the Twilight Zone music).

My arguments are founded on this article and historical facts and despite you projecting your own shifting on me, have definitely not changed.

Have a nice day, Sunken.


58 posted on 06/07/2018 7:14:59 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (alea iacta est)
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To: Berlin_Freeper; All
Another link (full item requires registration) for the slow learners who are too arrogant to admit they are wrong, because insulting other people as ridiculous and confused is more rewarding to them:

Germany has swept aside France's grand plan for eurozone reform, refusing to concede any substantive step towards fiscal union or a federal EU crisis machinery to cope with the next global recession.

59 posted on 06/07/2018 8:15:14 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (alea iacta est)
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