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1 posted on 06/03/2018 1:13:48 AM PDT by Fai Mao
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Its a shame the US Navy and America doesn’t celebrate Midway like the Brits celebrate Trafalgar.

Without the draw at Coral Sea and victory at Midway, there’s no telling the added cost in years and lives to the Pacific War.


4 posted on 06/03/2018 1:28:32 AM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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Japanese leaders were worried that the facts of their loses at Midway would damage home front morale so badly that sailors who knew what happened there were banned from returning to Japan for the rest of the war. Midway wounded who had to be returned to Japan for treatment were restricted to base until the end.


5 posted on 06/03/2018 1:37:48 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (When words can mean anything, they can also mean nothing.)
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This film should by all rights have fallen out of copyright by now.

So, I post this link...

http://8putlocker.com/watch/zGeYglGb-midway.html


6 posted on 06/03/2018 1:49:26 AM PDT by Bobalu (12 diet Cokes and a fried chicken...)
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9 posted on 06/03/2018 2:03:26 AM PDT by iowamark
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Timeline of the Battle of Midway
4 June

  • 04:30 First Japanese takeoff against Midway Islands
  • 04:30 10 planes (Yorktown) begin to search for the Japanese ships
  • 05:34 Japanese ships detected by a PBY from Midway I.
  • 07:10 6 TBF Avengers and 4 USAAF B-26 (from Midway I.) attack
  • 07:50 67 dive bombers, 29 torpedo bombers, 20 Wildcats take off (Spruance)
  • 07:55 16 dive bombers of the US Navy (from Midway I.) attack
  • 08:10 17 B-17s (from Midway Islands) attack
  • 08:20 11 bombers of the US Navy (from Midway I.) attack
  • 09:06 12 torpedo bombers, 17 dive bombers, 6 Wildcats take off (Yorktown)
  • 09:18 Nagumo to Northeast
  • 09:25 15 torpedo bombers (Hornet) attack
  • 09:30 14 torpedo bombers (Enterprise) attack
  • 10:00 12 torpedo bombers (Yorktown) attack
  • 10:25 30 dive bombers (Enterprise) attack Akagi and Kaga
  • 10:25 17 dive bombers (Yorktown) attack Soryu
  • 11:00 18 Vals and 6 Zekes take off from Hiryu
  • 11:30 10 planes (Yorktown) take off to search for remaining Japanese ships
  • 12:05 First attack on Yorktown
  • 13:30 Hiryu detected by a Yorktown plane; 24 dive bombers take off against Hiryu (Spruance)
  • 13:31 10 Kates and 6 Zekes take off from Hiryu
  • 13:40 Yorktown again in service, making 18 knots
  • 14:30 Second attack on Yorktown
  • 15:00 Yorktown abandoned
  • 16:10 Soryu sunk
  • 17:00 Dive bombers attack on Hiryu
  • 19:25 Kaga sunk
5 June
  • 05:00 Akagi sunk
  • 09:00 Hiryu sunk

10 posted on 06/03/2018 2:14:45 AM PDT by iowamark
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How Did the U.S. Break Japanese Military Codes Before The Battle Of Midway?
12 posted on 06/03/2018 3:58:45 AM PDT by blam
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13 posted on 06/03/2018 4:49:53 AM PDT by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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76 years since Midway. We are so close to another 4th Turning crisis, like WWII, like The War of Northern Aggression, like the Revolution. About every 80 years, they happen. Get ready.


15 posted on 06/03/2018 6:21:53 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
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I liked movie “Midway”...I thought that action scenes were good.

LA talk show host Bryan Suits did mention that he did not like the movie...He criticized the film for including different footages of US airplanes...In one scene, it was Corsair...In another scene, it was some other model...He did not like that the “Midway” filmmakers were so careless...


16 posted on 06/03/2018 7:33:51 AM PDT by L.A.Justice
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“”You can’t visit Midway anymore, or Iwo Jima or wake””

Why not?


21 posted on 06/03/2018 1:30:02 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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The movie, as most movies have to, leaves out most of the story of Midway. Get a book. And if you’re really interested, get this superb history of Midway that includes a Japanese accounting.

https://www.amazon.com/Shattered-Sword-Untold-Battle-Midway/dp/1574889249


23 posted on 06/03/2018 1:50:56 PM PDT by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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HEROISM OF TORPEDO SQUADRON 8

All members of Torpedo Squadron 8 who flew from the USS Hornet during the battle perished in the action, with the exception of Ensign George Gay. 

From Wikipedia: 
The squadrons first and best-known combat mission came during the Battle of Midway on 4 June 1942. Flying the vulnerable Douglas TBD Devastators, Commander John C. Waldron's 15 planes were all shot down during their unescorted torpedo attack on four Japanese aircraft carriers. The squadron did not destroy any enemy aircraft with their rear .30-caliber machine guns, nor did they damage any of the Japanese carriers.
The last of Torpedo Eight's planes take off from the USS Hornet,
on June 4,1942, flown by squadron commander John C. Waldron
with Horace Franklin Dobbs, CRMP, in the rear seat; a short time
later they would both be dead along with the rest of the squadron.
Famous Academy Award wining Director John Ford ("The Grapes of Wrath" & "How Green Was my Valley") was in the navy and at Midway during the battle. A few year ago for Christmas I received the "Ford At Fox" collection of his movies on DVD and it had as a "special feature" the documentaries John Ford made during World War II while he was in the U.S. Navy. They include the well know Academy Award winning documentaries on "Pearl Harbor" and the "Battle of Midway." It also included a little known, and not distributed, documentary called "Torpedo Squadron 8" a documentary made only for the family's of the squadron members who died in the Battle of Midway. Torpedo Squadron 8 (VT-8) was a United States Navy squadron of torpedo bombers operating from the aircraft carrier USS Hornet. It is an emotional experience watching this color documentary, showing these young American navy flayers taken shortly before their deaths. So young ... so alive....so "boy next door" joking and smiling." I've seen a few excerpts from the documentary in the Documentary "John Ford Goes to War" but until now no one has seen the entire film except the producers and a few families on the home front.

Ford was on the island of Midway during the battle in 1942 and personally supervised, or himself filmed, the action there. Others of his crew were at sea aboard carriers. A good deal of color footage was shot. By happenstance, some of the footage focused on the pilots and crew members of Torpedo Squadron 8 who all except one died a few hours later. Some of the shots showed them as a group, and others showed them as individuals, going about their business, laughing and joking around their airplanes. The Navy men flew obsolete torpedo planes, called Devestators. Because of what Clausewitz called "the fog of war," they arrived at their targets unescorted by fighters and all of the torpedo planes were shot down. There was only one survivor. Of course, Ford knew this when he was assembling the film, so among the opening credits is a plaque reading, "In Memoriam." Releasing a film like this for general distribution was out of the question in wartime, so, as I understand it, Ford saw to it, or tried to see to it, that copies of the film were only given to the families of Torpedo Squadron 8. (from the IMDB)

Now 65 years later it's available on DVD in the Ford At Fox Collection.


A List of Fallen:

Lt. Commander John C. Waldron 
Lt. Raymond A. Moore 
Lt. James C. Owens, Jr. 
Lt.(jg) George M. Campbell 
Lt.(jg) John P. Gray 
Lt.(jg) Jeff D. Woodson 
Ens. William W. Abercrombie 
Ens. William W. Creamer 
Ens. Harold J. Ellison 
Ens. William R. Evans 
Ens. Henry R. Kenyon 
Ens. Ulvert M. Moore 
Ens. Grant W. Teats 
Robert B. Miles, Aviation Pilot 1c 
Horace F. Dobbs, Chief Radioman 
Amelio Maffei, Radioman 1 
Tom H. Pettry, Radioman 1 
Otway D. Creasy, Jr. Radioman 2 
Ross H. Bibb, Jr., Radioman 2 
Darwin L. Clark, Radioman 2 
Ronald J. Fisher, Radioman 2 
Hollis Martin, Radioman 2 
Bernerd P. Phelps Radioman 2 
As well L. Picou, Seaman 2 
Francis S. Polston, Seaman 2 
Max A. Calkins, Radioman 3 
George A. Field, Radioman 3 
Robert K. Huntington, Radioman 3 
William F. Sawhill, Radioman 3 

From Wikipedia:
 
Failure of the Hornet's captain and air group commander to provide proper coordination led to the disaster, though in fairness, VT-3 from Yorktown (CV-5) and VT-6 from Enterprise (CV-6) fared little better. Of all 41 torpedo planes which sortied that day, only six survived. However, it is possible that the act of drawing away the Japanese Zero fighters during the doomed attack allowed a subsequent wave of American dive bombers to later sink three of the four Japanese carriers.

Author Herman Wouk in his novel "War and Remembrance" has listed the members of torpedo squadron 8 and two other torpedo squadrons from the U.S.S. Yorktown and U.S.S. Enterprise and said this about the naval aviators that attacked the Japanese aircraft carriers that day
 
"So long as men choose to decide the turns of history with the slaughter of youths--- and even in a better day, when this form of human sacrifice has been abolished like the ancient superstitious, but no more horrible form--- the memory of these three American torpedo plane squadrons should not die. The old sagas would halt the tale to list the names and birthplaces of the men who fought so well. Let this romance follow the tradition. These were the young men of the three squadrons, their names recovered from an already fading record."

Wouk then lists the names and home town of all of the crew member in the three squadrons with those who died outlined in black. It is the most haunting section of his great novel.

All together, these three torpedo Squadrons lost 33 pilots and 45 radiomen-gunners that day. The slow obsolete American torpedo planes were slaughtered by Japanese Zeroes and AA fire. Herman Wouk had this to say:
"In a planned coordinated attack, the dive-bombers were supposed to distract the enemy fighters, so as to give the torpedo planes their chance to come in. Instead the torpedo planes had pulled down the Zeroes and cleared the air for the dive-bombers. What was not luck, but the soul of the United States of America in action, was this willingness of the torpedo plane squadrons to go in against hopeless odds. This was the extra ounce of martial weight that in a few decisive minutes tipped the balance of history."

The Japanese lost four aircraft carriers and the U.S. lost the Yorktown in this naval battle fought from the air.
 

 

29 posted on 06/03/2018 2:42:26 PM PDT by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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