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A Marine explains which state would win if the US declared war on itself
business insider ^ | Jul. 27, 2015, 11:15 PM | Jon Davis, Quora

Posted on 05/13/2018 4:04:06 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK

We recently came across the following question on Quora: "If every state of the USA declared war against each other, which would win?" We've published the full answer from Quora user Jon Davis, a Marine veteran who is now a writer and blogger on military, veterans, and Middle Eastern affairs. In Oct. 2014, Davis' answer was optioned by a Hollywood producer for a potential television series.

These are the accounts of the Second American Civil War, also known as the Wars of Reunification and the American Warring States Period.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Reference
KEYWORDS: civilwar; war
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To: Blueflag

“Southern and middle Illinois has little use for the Chicago metro area.”

Believe me, even counties other than Cook in the “Chicago metro area” have no use for Chicago, and most if not all would side with the rest of the state. In a nutshell, Cook County and Chicago are pariahs, and are pretty much despised by the rest of the state.


21 posted on 05/13/2018 4:59:37 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Texas - and they have a lot of guns...just sayin’


22 posted on 05/13/2018 5:01:21 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

The premise is stupid. States would form confederations. Why would Arkansas fight Oklahoma?


23 posted on 05/13/2018 5:01:29 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Fascinating question. Would make a great video game.


24 posted on 05/13/2018 5:02:53 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

I go with New Jersey! Our governor will fight for us! (Well at least call names and tax any conquerors to death)


25 posted on 05/13/2018 5:03:07 AM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Unrealistic and poorly imagined. The author is almost indifferent to local character and not terribly well informed on weapons outside those in use by the USMC.
- He doesn’t have Salt Lake City take charge of Utah plus the surrounding Mormon areas, as they would in such a crisis.
- He doesn’t have significant friction between urban areas and their rural surroundings, as we would certainly see from Chicago, New York City, and Philadelphia.
- He has Virginia take Maryland - why would they want a far-left freak state that produces almost nothing they need?
- He has Texas fighting wars of conquest - why would they want the other states?

“The war reached a turning point when a New York based flotilla made a decisive push to take Washington D.C. In response, a nuclear device was used on the fleet and all the ships, sailors and Marines on that mission were lost.”

Nope. Nukes are not magic, and warships need far more elbow room just to sail safely. Unless the “flotilla” is two or three ships total and they are sailing too close to each other, that’s not happening.

“The West coast was now controlled by the two main powers-California with its seat of power in San Francisco and The North West Union (Washington, Oregon, and Idaho) centered in Seattle.”

There is no way in the world that Idaho could be controlled by a government centered in Seattle. They have lumber, minerals, beef, corn, potatoes, sugar beets, nuclear power, and hydroelectric power. They don’t need anyone else. The state as a whole is not fond of (moderate) Boise’s comparative liberalism, and they despise Seattle as much as they despise California.

I could go on, but I found his fantasy useless. Texas is not California but with less fruit and vegetable acreage for their agriculture. The states still have distinctive characters, as do rural parts of states controlled by their urban zones, and he doesn’t take either fact into account at all.


26 posted on 05/13/2018 5:03:11 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

“neo-confederates”

Sigh... BS/bias meter went off the scale. California and NY would have no soldiers...beaners and other illegals would form factions to protect themselves and and say screw you gringos! Libtards would wet their pants.

There is no such thing as “the Carolinas.”

North Carolina with it’s gun culture, military bases, and retired military didn’t even get real consideration. Pretty stupid. New Yorkers and Californians in the military, in large part serving in NC would stay. Their states’ leaders hate them.


27 posted on 05/13/2018 5:07:39 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost ("Just look at the flowers, Lizzie. Just look at the flowers.")
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Chicago is already at war with itself.


28 posted on 05/13/2018 5:10:21 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The MSM is the enemy of the American people)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
Yep. Not sure who in California would take up arms.

There's more firearms in California than in any other state in the country. It will likely see the bloodiest fighting of anywhere as the various factions within the state take up arms against each other.

29 posted on 05/13/2018 5:12:26 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Pollster1
- He doesn’t have Salt Lake City take charge of Utah plus the surrounding Mormon areas, as they would in such a crisis.
- He doesn’t have significant friction between urban areas and their rural surroundings, as we would certainly see from Chicago, New York City, and Philadelphia.
- He has Virginia take Maryland - why would they want a far-left freak state that produces almost nothing they need?
- He has Texas fighting wars of conquest - why would they want the other states?


You are absolutely right about Utah, and the Mormon territory would be renamed Deseret.
The Chesapeake Bay alone is enough to make Maryland worth grabbing.
You and others are right about rural/urban, but then we wouldn't have a states vs. states story, so we suspend disbelief.
Texas has ocean access, and plenty of cattle, oil and industry. Still needs more water and crops. Louisiana and Arkansas are sensible places to reach out.
30 posted on 05/13/2018 5:12:40 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: rigelkentaurus

Absolutely correct.

I remember two years ago when the major gasoline pipeline between Texas and New York (Colonial Pipeline) was severed somewhere near Birmingham, Alabama.

Within a week, prices shot up by $.50-1.00 and many gas stations ran out of gas, especially around Atlanta.

Now imagine who controls the pipeline, and what they’d do to it, if every state was on their own.

Also, I don’t agree that the country would be divided into 50 republics. Alliances would form immediately. The writer starts his piece with Texans discriminating against Oklahomans, who would, in reality, from the very beginning, be citizens together in a greater alliance.


31 posted on 05/13/2018 5:14:14 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (MAGAMarchOnWashington.com)
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To: Celerity

Never heard of Quora. I don’t do Facebook or Twitter. Just looks like trouble to me. You may find this hard to believe, but my real name is not Vaquero (sarc assumed). Sure government @$$holes can look me up through IP address etc but to most I’m incognito. I like it that way.

For myself? I would fight to the death to defend my family and our liberty. If that means fighting against my state, so be it.


32 posted on 05/13/2018 5:15:53 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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To: FreedomForce
California would probably hire an army of Mexican mercenaries.

Just doing the assaulting and conquering that Americans won't do.

33 posted on 05/13/2018 5:18:16 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (MAGAMarchOnWashington.com)
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To: neefer
I’d put my money on Southerners, like Kentucky, West Virginia or Tennessee. A hilly terrain is hard to take. Lots of natural spring water, people already heat their homes with wood and most are experienced hunters.

These hill people are only good at smoking meth and shooting heroin. They're as dependent upon the government for the food they eat as any welfare mom in Atlanta. They won't put up much of a fight, not that anyone is going to try to invade their kudzu-devoured trailer parks.

34 posted on 05/13/2018 5:19:02 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

California, Oregon, and Washington states don’t have the guts or economy to pull this off. The mental status of these Starbucks, tree hugging, libs wouldn’t even know how to pull this off. Btw, what would all those marines in ca,p Pendleton do, sit on their thumbs the whole time?

Not buying this.


35 posted on 05/13/2018 5:19:17 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Drew68

Targets of opportunity.


36 posted on 05/13/2018 5:20:41 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
They pushed to claim all of New England and the food wealth they will need

Apples, maple syrup, dairy cows? New England is infamous for its rocky soil. FIne for lumber and the forementioned crops, and enough for small time niche farms, NOTHING like the midwest in food capacity. Upstate New York has PLENTY of agricultural capacity, and access to the Great Lakes.
37 posted on 05/13/2018 5:21:17 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Wyoming, Montana and North Dakota. That is where the nukes are.

Boomers operate out of Kings Bay, Georgia and Kitsap, Washington.

38 posted on 05/13/2018 5:22:24 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("The church ... is not the master or the servant of the state, but the conscience" - Luther)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Given the premise that the battle would be state vs. state it was an interesting story. I would watch a Netflix, A&E or similar network version but any of the big four networks would screw it up.

However in reality a second civil war would be urban vs. rural and red vs. blue with a lot of Chinese "peacekeepers" sent in quickly.

39 posted on 05/13/2018 5:29:05 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (I can't tell if we live in an Erostocracy (rule by sex) or an Eristocracy (rule by strife and chaos))
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To: Drew68
It's gonna be fun!

Heck, yeah!

It sounds like "The Walking Dead."

40 posted on 05/13/2018 5:30:53 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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