Q Anon: (5/2/18) FRiendly Freeper Collaboration

To: JockoManning; blu; grey_whiskers; smoky415; Mytruevine; Aquamarine; Cboldt; mairdie; RitaOK

This is likely very off the wall as it came unbidden and I have no clue as to what might have triggered the thought. However, I had a strong inner sense when I read that paragraph that there is some sort of force, energy or agent that GAINS umph, power, potency as it gets closer to the target. I understand how, Swordmaker, the thermodynamics law would prevent such a reality. Nevertheless, I don't often have that strong an inner sense about something without it eventually proving to have been at least true to a significant degree. Mystifying. Curious. Don't know what it might mean.

This gets into the area of "Perpetual Motion" where you get more out of a system than you put in. It violates the principle of conservation of energy.

However, if we can come up with some kind of directed energy beam that acts as a "catalyst" that releases the inherent energy which already exists within the target, that would be different.

Say, for example, we were to discover a specific wavelength of light that would cause a polymer to instantly release all of its electron bonds. Now THAT would be useful. That could be used on planes with plastics and synthetic skins. Beam them with this wavelength and all of the sudden they have no windscreens, no landing gear, perhaps no wings, because everything made of synthetic polymers have depolymerized. OOPS. Now THAT would be a powerful weapon.

I once owned a 1987 Ford Aerostar van. After about three years of driving it, the leather steering wheel suddenly went soft on me. . . and an orange-brown goo started seeping out of the seam and stitching holes that bound the leather to the wheel. It was icky and a bit oily. I called the dealer who basically said "deal with it," and suggested buying a new steering wheel assembly for $650. I then called Ford's District Manager who was very interested and came to meet me and see the steering wheel. Ford paid me $1000 for that steering wheel and provided a new one to boot with labor. They'd never seen anything like it and wanted to send it to their labs for analysis to learn what happened. The plastic around the steel core had completely depolymerized.

Their lab guys called me to ask questions about what I had noticed when it happened. Did one part go soft before another, etc. I told them it had all gone soft at once, almost instantly.

2,061 posted on 05/06/2018 3:23:44 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)

To: grey_whiskers

Speaking of "Let's blow it," Sword...

ROTFLMAO!

2,062 posted on 05/06/2018 3:27:22 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)

Their lab guys called me to ask questions about what I had noticed when it happened. Did one part go soft before another, etc. I told them it had all gone soft at once, almost instantly.

LOL, that's funny Swordy.

2,063 posted on 05/06/2018 4:24:50 PM PDT by Aquamarine (Where we go one, we go ALL ~ Q)

You mean, you can watch that implosion and not realize that was a controlled demolition?

Yes, I can.

Just because it had some superficial resemblance to controlled demolition does not mean it was a controlled demolition.

I saw buildings falling into their own footprints due to entirely explicable physical forces and the initiating events that made the resulting collapse inevitable once one floor collapsed onto another already severely damaged floor, which then fell onto another.

I've talked about 911 with a contractor who was one of my business' clients whose business is controlled demolition. He has brought down some of the largest structures demolished in Northern California, including the 200 foot tall concrete Spreckels Sugar tower in Manteca. He said it was in no way a controlled demolition. It bore no signs of being one. None of the WTC building did.

You obviously have little comprehension of the months of advance work required before any controlled demolition will work, especially on a building of that size. That work cannot be accomplished without being noticed, especially preparing the demolition of that central core. There would have been drilling and jackhammering going on for months. . . and some of those holes they drilled would have been backfilled with concrete to direct the pre-placed shaped charges. Much of it would have to be done inside the offices of tenants, stripping wall finishes to the bare concrete to gain access to drill and place the charges. The demo-contractors would not have allowed any unauthorized radio or cellular phone transmissions anywhere in the building.

You've watched too many Hollywood movies with special effects building implosions where it is made to look easy and a few guys can do it with a knapsack of tiny C4 explosives in a few minutes. It's not at all easy and takes meticulous planning and preparation.

2,064 posted on 05/06/2018 4:54:58 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)

Actually, your explanation omits the exterior walls enclosing each floor. Think what happens when the opressure pushes on those walls at each floor. What I am pointing to —the exploding outer walls— is not seen on 911. In fact the image is more one of peeling a banana, with massive center column beams levitating and multistory steel turning to dust while standing. That upper thirty-five floors which tipped to over the street below not arriving at ground level is also counter to your plasma theory..

2,065 posted on 05/06/2018 5:07:43 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)

Thin ‘molecular dissociation’, with several stories above the impact points of planes striking the buildings acting as pile driver ... but even that thirty-five stories above impact point do not crash to the ground because that mass would have ruptured the bathtub.

2,066 posted on 05/06/2018 5:10:36 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)

I’m enjoying most of the conversation, thanks for the ping.

2,067 posted on 05/06/2018 5:12:29 PM PDT by blu (Save us the time of explaining the links...read the article...unless you're Lazamataz.)

To: grey_whiskers; JockoManning; blu; smoky415; Mytruevine; Aquamarine; Cboldt; mairdie; RitaOK

Agree with most of this post but raising an eyebrow at the plasma; what is the expected final T of the air compressed between floors-- there'd be a gradient from upper to lower floors, given

a) the lesser weight on lower floors leading to slower compression

I don't think the loss of weight/mass has as much effect as you might think it does. The acceleration of gravity still continues on the overall mass, only slightly ameliorated by the necessity to accelerate the newly added mass of the mass of the just added floor and the resistance caused by compressing that floor's atmosphere before it can escape. Some percentage of the mass is vaporized/particularized at each floor and carried away by the atmosphere/plasma flow away from the building as gas/dust/debris, but I don't think downward accumulated velocity and gravitic acceleration is not affected by that loss.

I think the speed of the compression would probably remain about the same or slightly less.

b) the atmospheric pressure gradient (admittedly slight) due to the higher altitude of the top floors...

Probably minimal differences. I think the atmospheric difference between sea level and 1000 feet is about half a pound per square inch. So it would go from 14.5 PSI starting to 2610 PSI . . . but the compression would not be as fast, nor likely as great, as there would be less weight at first. I think it would take a few floors, perhaps ten to fifteen, before the weight would be great enough to achieve full contents crushing, air compression, the heating, and the concomitant conversion to a plasma.

Is there a T-P phase diagram for the conversion of elemental O2 and N2 to plasma -- counterexample might be closed-to-cloud lightning due to electrostatics prior to creation of plasma...recall e.g. the risk of cognition/explosion of grains dust due to surface area / static charges to initiate combustion.

I have seen such a T-P phase diagram for electrified in a near vacuum and for normal atmosphere, but not for 2700 PSI. That would be completely different than either of those. . . and may be moot. At that pressure, O₂ and N₂ may no longer exist and only atomic O and N may exist as a plasma, having shed all pretense of having electrons to form molecules.

In the presence of O₂, with the right mixture, you can get almost anything to explode.

2,068 posted on 05/06/2018 6:01:42 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)

THINK not Thin ... tired old fingers.

2,069 posted on 05/06/2018 6:20:32 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)

We don't see those walls, MHG. When we get to the levels where what I describe is happening, everything is behind a huge cloud of debris, dust, and smoke. Anyone who claims anything counter to that is not telling the truth or has Superman's X-Ray vision. Very few of the curtain wall panels were recovered. That curtain wall was STRUCTURAL, it's not there merely for decorative purposes. You hit that a plasma at 2700 PSI and at what ever temperature it reached, there is not much going to be left of it. It's the primary egress point for all that superheated air/plasma. Those panels have to start falling from a zero velocity starting point and they are surrounded by very hot materials.

2,070 posted on 05/06/2018 6:37:47 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)

By the way, each floor weights in at less than 7 million pounds each. That does not count the weight of the center core or curtain wall.

2,071 posted on 05/06/2018 6:51:10 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)

Sorry, casn’t buy that based upon the video evidence. If your explanation makes you happy, enjoy.

2,072 posted on 05/06/2018 9:31:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)

“Cows don’t have cloven hooves, which is one of the pithy reasons the BLM says they need to stop the ranchers from free ranging their cattle.” blu

Hmmm, did u misremember your cow milking days? Something is amiss here.

2,073 posted on 05/07/2018 4:12:04 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)

To: MHGinTN; JockoManning; blu; grey_whiskers; smoky415; Mytruevine; Aquamarine; Cboldt; mairdie

Sorry, can’t buy that based upon the video evidence. If your explanation makes you happy, enjoy.

Link to a video where we can see each floor being crushed. You can't. They are hidden behind the debris/smoke cloud.

Also, MHG, the claim that there was not much left of the building is another one of those mischaracterizations from those who really do not know what they are talking about so they can sow discord and sell their books.

The pile of debris left after the collapse, according to numerous rescue workers, was between 10 to 20 stories high. . . but that fact was only obvious when they had climbed to its apex and looked around at the buildings around them.

In addition, in the year after 911, almost 1.5 million tons of debris was removed and processed from the sites, just at the Staten Island Fresh Kills land fill site, and there were other land fills used as well as 350,000 tons of steel and several thousand miles of copper electrical cable that was sent for recycling directly from the site:

That's when we saw the incredible things that took place and the amount of bravery that everybody was taking to try and help as best as they can. Bucket lines and people digging. Debris was incredible, how much of it was across the street. You couldn't even tell the street from the sidewalk. It didn't look like a big pile at first, but you realized it later on because it was a gradual outlaying of material. It gradually increased in height as you went along, so it was like climbing a hill, you really don't know how high you are until you are up there.
Q. The perception wasn't real till you saw firemen standing on the pile. You could barely see them.
A. Barely see them.
Q. Then you have a perception of the mass that was there.
A. How deep it was. And how high it is. I mean you were actually standing sometimes 15, 20 stories up. It wasn't that much of a fall, because there was a lot of material along the way. -Firefighter Fred Marsilla nytimes.com

8.1 Appendix 1: Calculation of Debris Amount
While it is difficult to know exactly what was removed from ground zero, there are numerous articles describing damage to the WTC complex and the surrounding areas. There are also numerous photographs available on the internet of the damage as well as the progress of the cleanup at various stages. The calculation shown in Table 17 is a very rough estimate based on a wide range of sources. Sources are not cited as they are too numerous for the scope of this study. Photos are not included because of usage rights issues. Further study could include a detailed analysis of the debris as well as complete presentation of motivations for assumptions as well as detailed sourcing. (MassAndPeWtc.pdf)

New York City has awarded contracts to two private scrap dealers to handle 50,000 tons of steel. Additional contracts are expected to be awarded to private scrap dealers for another 60,000 tons of structural steel, says George Wittich, senior vice president of Weeks Marine Inc., Cranford, N.J. (wasteage.com)

Most of the concrete from the WTC site was pulverized into dust in the Sept. 11 attacks. But huge amounts of structural steel remained scattered in tangled heaps, says Allen Morse, USACE chief debris expert and FEMA technical advisor. (wasteage.com)

At press time [Nov 1, 2001], the amount of debris taken to Fresh Kills totaled nearly 215,000 tons, or approximately 10,000 tons per day. Total estimated debris was 1.2 million tons, including 16,000 truckloads. (wasteage.com)

Collection and storage of steel members from the WTC site was not part of the BPS Team efforts sponsored by FEMA and the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE). SEAoNY offered to organize a volunteer team of SEAoNY engineers to collect certain WTC steel pieces for future building performance studies. Visiting Ground Zero in early October 2001, SEAoNY engineers, with the assistance from the New York City Department of Design and Construction (DDC), identified and set aside some steel pieces for further study. Of the estimated 1.5 million tons of WTC concrete, steel, and other debris, more than 350,000 tons of steel have been extracted from Ground Zero and barged or trucked to salvage yards where it is cut up for recycling. (fema.gov)

The [May 30th 2002] ceremony marked the end of cleanup efforts after eight months and 108,342 truckloads of debris. The cleanup was originally estimated to last a year. (cnn.com)

Hundreds of workers labored around the clock since September 11 to reclaim the bodies of those who died in the attack and to remove the 1.6 million tons of steel and concrete left behind. (cnn.com)

The total weight of structural steel in the each WTC tower is approximently 100,000 short tons. (MassAndPeWtc.pdf)

http://web.archive.org/web/20020224054329/http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/dailyItem.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20020105095855/http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/NYTimesFoundationEfforts.html

The initial debris estimate included 125,000 tons of glass, 250,000 of tons of steel, 450,000 cubic yards of concrete, 12,000 miles of electrical cable, and 198 miles of ductwork. Trade Center Forensic Recovery.pdf disaster.pandj.com

The last debris was processed on July 26, 2002, day 321 of the project. At the close of the Staten Island Landfill mission:
• 1,462,000 tons of debris had been received and processed
• 35,000 tons of steel had been removed (165,000 tons were removed directly at Ground Zero)
• 806,000 tons of debris had been screened, an average of 75 tons per hour
• 14,968 workers had been through the PPE process
• 43,600 people (39,795 NYPD, 6,212 non-NYPD) had been through the Site Specific Indoctrination
• Over 1.7 million man hours had been worked
• Over 55,000 discrete pieces of evidence had been recovered
• 4,257 body parts had been recovered
• 209 victims had been positively identified

That's from ~1 million tons of buildings for the Towers. . . and a lot of them were turned to dust which was spread all over NYC.

And your concern for the damage to the bathtub dike is well founded because it actually happened and was discovered to have been heavily damaged, finding a 90 foot gash in the ferroconcrete "bathtub wall," when the debris was excavated in 2002:

A Rush to Fix Ground Zero's Damaged Dike
By JAMES GLANZ and ERIC LIPTON—MARCH 21, 2002
Excerpted from The New York Times
Workers are hurrying to shore up and patch a 90-foot-wide gash in the below-ground retaining wall that encircles much of the World Trade Center site after discovering that groundwater, fed by the Hudson River, is only a precarious foot below the lower rim of the damaged area.
Engineers working at ground zero yesterday said there was no imminent danger of a collapse of the wall, which is called the bathtub, or of an inundation of the pit that has been dug at the site.
But they are already digging wells outside the gash -- in effect a bite taken out of the eastern side of the bathtub -- to relieve the pressure of the groundwater on the wall. And they are designing a giant steel-and-concrete patch, to be anchored in bedrock.
The damage in the bathtub wall occurred on Sept. 11, when the upper floors of the south tower toppled toward the southeast and tore the huge gash. But until recently, this damaged area had been buried beneath debris. Only now that crews are excavating the southeast corner of the site -- one of the last spots at ground zero to be cleared -- did they discover just how seriously the wall had been compromised, and how close it had come to allowing a major flood.
Read more at the link above. . .

Oh, dang, what these "tin-foil hat brigade" website guys claim didn't happen because there wasn't enough building falling on the dike to cause it, actually DID happen. . . because there WAS enough building mass falling on the dike to damage it. . . and it was that tilting section of upper floors that apparently specifically caused this damage. Maybe those floors didn't just disappear.

So if seeing through clouds of debris to observe things which can't be seen makes YOU happy, enjoy.

2,074 posted on 05/07/2018 12:39:18 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)

I’m on Swordmaker’s side in this. Great explanations and good logic. Thank you.

2,075 posted on 05/07/2018 1:20:05 PM PDT by mairdie

NO! You asserted, “The pile of debris left after the collapse, according to numerous rescue workers, was between 10 to 20 stories high. The removal of debris from the forty story building seven was estimated at ten stories, but video evidence shows the towers were less than five stories. The more false info you post the more you look like a ‘seed’. You are repeating lies funneled to the public in an effort by ‘someone’ to control the narrative. Stop helping the lying bastards spread their disinformation.

2,076 posted on 05/07/2018 2:10:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)

Next thing you’ll be telling us is that that convoy of dump trucks was not bringing in dirt and dumping it, then being loaded and hauling away stuff!

2,077 posted on 05/07/2018 2:11:43 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)

You like peddling lies, apparently. And using Alinsky tactics to try and silence anyone not agree with your seeding.

The TRUTH regarding the gash is that it was caused by the removal folks so they had to switch tactics of bringing down the remains of the below ground structure and materials of other buildings besides the towers. But you either swallow lies eagerly or toss your masters' seeds generously.

2,078 posted on 05/07/2018 2:15:25 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)

Smoke and mirrors is a great ploy, for those only casually reading along.

How many buildings were taken down in the complex? How much debris was removed from the building seven site?

I've seen about enough of your posting. You are not to be trusted at this point.

2,079 posted on 05/07/2018 2:18:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)

To: MHGinTN; JockoManning; blu; grey_whiskers; smoky415; Mytruevine; Aquamarine; Cboldt; mairdie

You are the one making the allegation. PROVE IT. You are the one calling ME a liar. . . but you offer only proof from TIN FOIL HAT websites. . . but you don't even link to them. I post math and links. . . and cite actual physics. You post pseudo-science and call me names. BAH!

2,080 posted on 05/07/2018 3:48:08 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)

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