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Sorry for the Vanity. Just had to ask. Had a weird flight a couple of days ago. DFW to L.A. American Airlines. We taxied out as usual, didn't seem that long, no more than usual...and then we turned and headed back to the gate. The Pilot said something like "all this taxing caused us to return for more fuel." I found that weird. An hour delay. If that wasn't enough, on approach to LAX, engines suddenly revved and we went from descent to climb. The guy next to me said.."the copilot must be flying this thing." We were all turned around now, over the Pacific, and different direction and well..finally landed. But I have never had the fuel thing happen. Any comments or input? Has this happened to anyone? I fly about 10 or 12 times a year..never happened. Sorry for the vanity...thanks.
1 posted on 04/05/2018 6:44:01 AM PDT by vespa300
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The Pilot said something like "all this taxing caused us to return for more fuel."

Tax reform!

2 posted on 04/05/2018 6:45:13 AM PDT by humblegunner
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They’re supposed to land with a 10% fuel reserve.

If they project a lower reserve early on, they may be required to return to top off.


3 posted on 04/05/2018 6:46:38 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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I bet that was “taxing”.


4 posted on 04/05/2018 6:46:55 AM PDT by Rannug (When you're dead, you're dead. Until then fight with everything you have.)
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Maybe trying to cover up that they forgot to fill up the tank before leaving the gate. If on a road trip I realize that I forgot, I’d prefer to say it might be good to top off the tank before we go any further.


6 posted on 04/05/2018 6:50:12 AM PDT by Reno89519 (If Trump can't deliver and folds like a typical Republican, maybe he should be impeached.)
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I've heard of it before.

Flying around fuel you don't need costs the airlines money, and puts undue stress on the aircraft.

So they carry the minimum safe amount, plus a cushion for the usual delays. This delay must have been unusual, and cut into their safety reserve.

7 posted on 04/05/2018 6:51:26 AM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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In the fast few years airlines have been putting as little fuel in planes as they can get away with. Less fuel, less weight. I don’t like it at all.


8 posted on 04/05/2018 6:51:47 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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Fuel = weight. Too much of wrong weight = lower profits. Its a balancing game.


11 posted on 04/05/2018 6:52:21 AM PDT by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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They don’t completely fill the fuel tanks for a shorter flight. The extra weight would just burn more fuel. But they might be cutting things a little close if they’re not sure they can make it to their destination after idling the engines for an hour or so.


12 posted on 04/05/2018 6:52:38 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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I used to live in LA, and have probably flown into LAX thirty times, maybe 50. Once as we were approaching from the east we were told that we had to make another approach because ground control was “turning the runways around”. The pilot made this announcement, and then corrected himself, saying “They’re actually turning the traffic pattern around, the runways are staying the way they are”. We then went out over the Pacific and landed. Sounds like that’s what happened to you.


13 posted on 04/05/2018 6:53:45 AM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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Fuel consumption is based on weight/passengers - either the plane was close to its maximum hopping distance already, they miscalculated the weight/passengers or they never checked the fuel gauge until they started taxiing. In any event they lied to you! :)

The aborted landing approach may have been a mistake or the air traffic control might’ve told them to divert (traffic, weather, priority, etc)


15 posted on 04/05/2018 6:54:57 AM PDT by Skywise
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What happens is that excessive taxi times sometimes burns up the reserve fuel that is is held is storage in the aircraft fuel tanks for emergency operations, caused by bad weather, heavy traffic, mechanical problems, during the flight route, etc. A captain will always opt for a safety margin to have more then enough fuel on board as he takes off...just in case.

Your “go-around” at LAX is usually caused by traffic on the ground, delayed for a take-off or traffic problem. Either the tower will call for the “go-around” or the Captain will call for it..if he deems it necessary to avoid an accident or a potential unsafe landing condition. The Captain operating must always follow the ground controller’s instructions, but he can call for his own “go-around” if he thinks danger might lurk. These “Fly Around” acts are daily routine activities.


16 posted on 04/05/2018 6:55:31 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (Defeat both the Republican (e) & Democrat (e) political parties....Forever!!!)
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Fuel is always low, so a previous flight might have cut it too short. The turn around might have been a change in runway direction.


17 posted on 04/05/2018 6:57:10 AM PDT by CodeToad (The Democrats haven't been this pissed off since the Republiverycans took their slaves away.)
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DFW is a huge airport, once I asked the flight attendant while we were taxiing “Are we driving to Albuquerque?”


19 posted on 04/05/2018 6:58:01 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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We have had numerous negative experiences with American Airlines over the past few years. So bad, that we will NEVER again book a flight anywhere with them. Period.


21 posted on 04/05/2018 7:00:45 AM PDT by Howie66 ("Tone down the tagline please." - Admin Moderator)
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Maybe the pilot’s wife used the plane the night before and didn’t put gas in it.


22 posted on 04/05/2018 7:01:04 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the Left, The truth is Right Wing Extremism.)
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This is why airplanes need that auto-shutoff system that a lot of new cars have. If the car is waiting at a stoplight, the engine will shut off to save fuel.

You can find this feature, and many others, in the cars we have down at the lot here at Barack Obama Buick in beautiful Oxnard By The Sea, California!


23 posted on 04/05/2018 7:01:43 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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25 yrs ago flying out of DC. Plane is loaded pulling out of gate- suddenly plane reverses back to gate. everyone is hustled off into the concourse away from windows. Tornado on airfield. All clear reload plane - off to the taxi way - me in window seat - we were cleared for take off- I am looking out window- on to the tarmac we go- I am watching another plane coming in for landing same runway- full power back to taxiway.
Go around back to tarmac
Take off German couple next to me- pilot comes and quietly says that there was two planes trying to use same runway.
Couple askes me if they heard correctly,I informed them that was true , as I had witnessed thru window,

They probably never were same after that experience


24 posted on 04/05/2018 7:01:54 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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I’ve done something similar. The pilot probably only had a few bucks on him at the end of his previous flight and just wanted to get home so he thought to himself, “Shoot, I’ll just get enough to get home. I’ll fill up tomorrow”, and then forgot.


27 posted on 04/05/2018 7:04:05 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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Another possibility is that the weather changed for their primary alternate. This time of year we get fog forecasts for the evenings and early mornings along the coast that might have put their alternate below minimums for the arrival time. The calculated reserve at destination requirement may have gone up it they had to switch alternates to SFO or PHX rather than JWO.


28 posted on 04/05/2018 7:05:19 AM PDT by Dave Wright
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Australian Qantas Airlines just inaugurated a direct flight from Perth to London. That’s approximately 17 hours in duration ... one of the longest in commercial aviation. That would require taking on maximum fuel capacity, with very little left upon arrival at destination.


30 posted on 04/05/2018 7:07:03 AM PDT by BluH2o
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