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Long Range Shooting Enthusiasts: Advice
Self ^ | 3/4/18 | Washi

Posted on 03/04/2018 8:32:18 PM PST by Washi

Hello, all.

I'm no stranger to shooting. I hunted for small game, growing up, I qualified, in the Army, as an "Expert" rifleman, and I occasionally take the family out shooting now.

Though I was an Expert in the Army, that shooting was limited to 300 yards, and since I was in the Signal Corps, I really only shot once per year to retain my qualification.

I've recently become interested in long range shooting. I've been looking at optics that would lend themselves to that pursuit. I know that brands like Leupold and Nightforce are the heavy-hitters in this arena, but they are WAY too expensive to justify their price for a hobbyist.

Looking around the optics and long-range shooting forums, there are many "Optics Snobs" that will bad-mouth any brand other than the big, expensive dogs in show and dismiss the other brands out-of-hand.

My question, finally, is: Have any of you ever shot with "Monstrum" brand optics, and if so, what is your opinion of them?

They are Chinese made brands, so there is a black mark against them to begin with, but people who have actually used them have expressed surprise at how much quality and performance they provide for the price you pay.


TOPICS: Hobbies; Military/Veterans; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: banglist; optics; recommendations; scopes; shooting
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To: MileHi

Awesome ..... to see the black magic of the martial art of precision long range shooting come full circle just gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.....

Berger just moved out of Kalipornia to Arizona !

http://www.bergerbullets.com/berger-bullets-returns-home-greater-phoenix-arizona-area/

They also purchased Applied Ballistics Munitions and its Berger Ammunition now. That is badass now the Berger has gone from components only to full up perfection ammunition.

http://www.bergerbullets.com/abm-ammo-now-berger-ammunition/


61 posted on 03/05/2018 9:56:47 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: frog in a pot

Your Welcome ....

They are solid as a rock with good hands on lessons and skill sets ...... PRB is the best web page for info, Snipers Hide is 2nd on my web page list and Hodnett and Tubb’s are the best instructors I’ve been lucky to be around......

You can spend 16 hours a day reading Cal Zants PRB page and lose a few months binge reading.....

Stay Safe.


62 posted on 03/05/2018 10:08:40 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: KC Burke

Yer welcome ....stay safe !


63 posted on 03/05/2018 10:16:49 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: smokingfrog

Hope yer well Bub !


64 posted on 03/05/2018 10:17:44 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Washi

My $.02 on optics is that much of the cost of optics relates to critical quality control and assembly. The lower cost manufacturers don’t know if their optics are perfect or perfectly assembled because they don’t or can’t measure them. And, with optics, some will be perfect, some not. Spending time and putting marks on a scope bench testing is not a choice for a $500 product. Their budget for QC on each scope will be pennies. Look in the box may be the extent of it.

So they spec it with a Pacific Rim manufacturer and it comes assembled. Was it made to spec? Sometimes. Check it out and send it back until you get one you like.


65 posted on 03/05/2018 10:40:35 PM PST by anton
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To: Squantos
They also purchased Applied Ballistics Munitions and its Berger Ammunition now.

I looked around some and it looks pretty good. They do a poor job though of describing their bullets construction/performance.

66 posted on 03/06/2018 8:41:23 AM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi

Berger ??? Look at they’re VLD hybrids .... when I get home I will send ya a link. Hate using a phone to post and drive 120mph with a beer between my legs .


67 posted on 03/06/2018 1:27:50 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Squantos
Hate using a phone to post and drive 120mph with a beer between my legs .

LOL! I hear ya!

68 posted on 03/06/2018 2:17:05 PM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi

http://www.bergerbullets.com/information/line-and-designs/

http://www.bergerbullets.com/tech-talk/

Surf the “information” tab at the top of the page for lots of data on Berger’s designs etcetera . Been sold on em for a very long time.

Sorry I was late getting back to ya on this data. Start with the “Line and Designs” link and then the “Tech Talk” link and I think you’ll find what your looking for.

Stay Safe Bub.


69 posted on 03/07/2018 1:34:15 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: MileHi

One more .......

http://www.bergerbullets.com/pdf/Quick-Reference-Sheets.pdf


70 posted on 03/07/2018 2:17:13 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Washi
Make a "Saved Search" for a horus scope on E-Bay and wait until a used Horus Scope comes up for sale that's in your price range.
It's the first plane Horus Reticle that you're really after.
71 posted on 03/07/2018 2:28:35 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Squantos

Thanks. I’ll look through that.

Actually I thought Berger was mostly lead free range bullets so I never paid any attention to ‘em.


72 posted on 03/07/2018 6:16:09 AM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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