Posted on 02/17/2018 7:38:03 AM PST by Avalon Memories
Christopher Wray is the other crucial factor in this horrible mass killings, along with his boss AG. Sessions. Due to their lack of attention to a possible school shooter back in September. Instead of constantly defending a bunch of useless agents, Wray and Sessions should be firing people.
President Trump should immediately fire these two for their failure to protect the American children.
“FDA Forgot a few ADHD Drug Related Deaths and Injuries”
https://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/drugs-medical/adhd_fda-00103.html
Oh Plz.. let us not impugn the fine folks with prescription pads.. without also looking at the agencies and congressional representatives they own.
Great point.
If you watch tv, 90% of the ads are for cars, BEER, and DRUGS.
( I’m not against beer. :-) )
Bingo
The evil pharmaceutical companies are to blame for upwards of 90 percent of our troubled people in this world
If you’re manic depressive and certified to beso. Then drugs will help
Other than that these stupid SSRIs and classes of drugs designed to ease depression are totally evil
The only real proven ways to beat depression are work excercise and thinking of others
Your only need to see them myrdering millions with opiate class drugs and CARE NOT AT ALL to see just how EVIL these companies are
No one is saying that such drugs should never be used. Of course there are cases when they can be of real help. But the problem is that they are very widely prescribed and there is no question about their association with these mass murders. It’s something that must be considered.
when your local MD gets $200,000 a year in commissions from BigPharma; it’s certainly valid to question their judgement
Thanks for posting this.
I was once a lone voice, trying to bring awareness of this phenomenon to my fellow Freepers.
Thankfully, a great many others are now aware of the evidence supporting a causal linkage between SSRIs and violent behavior.
Maybe because these mass murderers are in treatment for ... mental illness?
Gee if you think mentally ill mass murderers are bad on drugs lets just speculate how bad they would be without them
Or I suppose you think better parenting and weekly psych couch sessions would control them
Psychotropic drugs aren't just being prescribed for mentally unstable people. They've increasingly been prescribed for kids who are doing nothing more than exhibiting normal, rambunctious, childish behaviors.
There's actually an epidemic of over-prescription of psych drugs going on in our society.
Johnny's acting out in class? Political correctness forbids using old fashioned discipline and counseling to straighten him out, so let's just give him a pill to quiet him down.
It's been going on for decades. My wife and I began home schooling our kids for that very reason, sixteen years ago.
Interesting post on young assassins and their drug history from Q-reaseach
Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)
Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.
Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.
Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….
What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or
What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Thank you for your post. No one knows how Anti-Depressants work and we read that the real truth about how little they were tested before coming to market is a scandal. Many people have terrible side effects from the use of them, some of which can be permanent and disabling. The worst part happens when a person tries to stop using them. Withdrawal is very difficult and often the person is not able to stop. According to Dr. Stuart Shipko, even in those who are able to stop, sometimes terrible side effects will happen months or even years later and can be permanent. If you have a loved one on these medications or if you are taking them yourself, you need to read a recent book, “Lost Connections: Uncovering the Real Causes of Depression,” by JoHann Hari. Also, Dr. Stuart Shipko, M.D. has published a very informative book about the benefits and dangers of antidepressants. It is, “Dr. Shipko’s Informed Consent for SSRI Antidepressants.” Unfortunately, many of these drugs are prescribed by the family Dr. who only knows what he/she is told by Big Pharma representative. People should do their own research.
SSRIs are given to mentally ill people, so “causation” is not provable. There is a high correlation between SSRIs and murderers, but that is all that can be stated as fact. It is a fact that no drug approval regimen includes any minors. It is also a fact that drug interactions and comorbidity are never addressed, though most patients are regularly prescribed numerous medications to address various symptoms and behaviors.
SSRIs are proven to change brain chemistry over time and are addicting inasmuch as the person is physically dependent on the drugs neural effects. Given the vast changes teen brains undergo during puberty, the effects of this dependence is probably incalculable. No reputable or moral scientist would “experiment” on children, but few reputable psychiatrists seem to have any qualms about prescribing these drugs to them.
Another resource about how stimulant drugs were used to embolden soldiers who had to commit horrific acts back in history is the book, “Blitzed: Drugs in Nazi Germany,” by Norman Ohler. I read it while on vacation last summer. Couldn’t put it down because it is a testament as to how drugs alter the brain and enable people, for a time, to experience super human energy and aggression. According to this book, Hitler, himself, was addicted. Could drugs have played a big role in one of the most horrific mass murders in known history?
Even people who agree, can split hairs on semantics and technicalities, but plain old common sense informs the intelligent, that the correlation between SSRIs and violent behavior is undeniable, and must be noted.
Yes, but it’s not an easy topic, nor are there any quick answers. In involuntary commitment is an extreme option and requires extraordinary precautions that I see little hope of being instituted. It’s a minuscule percentage of people—even among those who are mentally ill.
Trying to balance the scale between society and individual rights is a Solomon’s dilemma, and I see no Solomon among our numerous courts and other civil institutions. Most civil servants are incompetent at best and fall on the extremes of the issues. The law and order types are just as dangerous as the rehabilitation proponents. Both are capable of excess, and neither are likely to approach common sense.
While school children are capable of identifying individuals who pose a threat—as proven by the number of children in this latest incident; courts, social workers and psychiatrists appear completely unable based on the consistently poor performance of parole boards.
Who then makes the determination? Do you want to face an inquisition that holds your Christian faith, or your belief in the Second Amendment a threat to society? I’d rather face a random selection of people from the phone book than a panel of “experts” ...
Youe mother's case looks to be a clear instance of Lithium—which is simply one of the elements on the periodic table—definitely helping.
This other stuff, like Prozac, Paxil, etc. is not the same at all, and it's absolutely insane to have kids on stuff like this except in the most compelling circumstances. Clearly these "newfangled" psych drugs are both over-prescribed and have some severe potential side effects.
There's simply too much of a correlation between this kind of behavior and this class of drugs. This class of drugs should be the most closely scrutinized as far as prescribing them. I'm not talking about government regulation—just common sense within the industry.
Maybe part of the problem is that these pharmaceutical companies are allowed to fully privatize profits, even when these things have been developed with public subsidy. There should be no intellectual property rights in such cases. That's "corporate welfare", plain and simple...
His younger brother was involuntarily committed. So their mother(s) may be mental patients on psychotropic drugs
This is a foolish and ridiculous thread with many comments by people who don’t know much about psychiatry or mentally ill people.
Of course most of the people who commit mass murder have been or are on or just came off of psychiatric drugs.
For most of them have been unstable for a long period of time and have been treated, for their mental instability. Mental illness and the kind of instability that causes mass murders of this nature just doesn’t pop up. These are people who have been mentally deteriorating for a long time. And they have been treated with the appropriate medications to manage their symptoms.
Whether they complied with follow up treatment, or took their medications, or not, is about judgment, which is something most mentally ill people do not have. As a matter of fact, lack of judgment is a symptom in most mental illnesses.
So to start talking about how these people were on different antidepressants, benzos, mood stabilizers, and antipsychotics and point fingers at the medications, is ridiculous.
It is the mental illness, not the medication that is at issue.
You would be better served to criticize a broken mental health system which is so hampered by HIPPA and Patient Rights that it is unable to prevent all but the most IMMEDIATE dangerous patients (and they have to prove it to the courts) from leaving the building.
You are all right, we did not have this sort of thing years ago and a good portion of it is that people do what they are told, think what they are told, and the mentally ill have less filters from the common culture than others.
Therefore the violence our culture censored years ago, that many people either avoid or can filter, goes straight to the minds of the mentally ill and influences them greatly. Censorship in the past was not there to keep you in the dark but instead was in place to protect the weak, including the weak-minded....and thus...the society as a whole.
We have eliminated hospital beds from our healthcare system in general and have closed down long term facilities for the mentally ill and developmentally retarded. We have shut down facilities that used to school and board troubled and mentally ill children and adolescents, and have opened programs that handle much less, and that require a much higher bar to enter, than before.
We have given adolescents patient rights, and have moved parents and guardians to the sidelines in decision-making for their care. I have seen frustrated and end of rope patents kill their mentally ill children and then suicide because the options of homes and locked facilities are not longer present.
No this is not an issue of pharma, this is an issue of what we have become as a culture.
We had individuals in the old system who were abused in the large institutions. I submit that between homelessness, lack of treatment, people who predate on the mentally ill and retarded, and the damages and injuries caused by the mentally ill and mentally retarded, there is far more abuse and crime today that there ever was in post-war institutions in the US.
The large institutions of old, were places developed in compassion. In older times, families locked their mentally ill in attics, or starved and killed them. Towns fathers would quietly capture and kill dangerous mentally ill. We chose to give them a home and three hots and a cot. That is gone.
Don’t blame pharma, blame your local leftist lawyer and politician for eliminating effective mental health care.
Based on my experience mentally unstable people are notorious for not taking their prescribed medications.
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