Are photons waves or particles? Quantum is real. Don’t look, because they will be particles. Look away and they are waves.
Here is something at your intellectual level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKdoE1vX7k4
This and some recent blackhole discoveries are why I’ve started leaning toward the idea that matter is just energy at a very very very high frequency with a very very very low wavelength and space is energy at a very very very low frequency and a very very very high wavelength. I think the idea explains dark matter as well.