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How Does the Flu Actually Kill People?
Scientific American ^ | 18 Dec, 2017 | Ferris Jabr

Posted on 12/19/2017 7:38:13 PM PST by MtnClimber

One Sunday in November 20-year-old Alani Murrieta of Phoenix began to feel sick and left work early. She had no preexisting medical conditions but her health declined at a frighteningly rapid pace, as detailed by her family and friends in local media and on BuzzFeed News. The next day she went to an urgent care clinic, where she was diagnosed with the flu and prescribed the antiviral medication Tamiflu. But by Tuesday morning she was having trouble breathing and was spitting up blood. Her family took her to the hospital, where x-rays revealed pneumonia: inflammation in the lungs that can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection, or both. Doctors gave Murrieta intravenous antibiotics and were transferring her to the intensive care unit when her heart stopped; they resuscitated her but her heart stopped again. At 3:25 P.M. on Tuesday, November 28—one day after being diagnosed with the flu—Murrieta was declared dead.

Worldwide, the flu results in three million to five million cases of severe illness and 291,000 to 646,000 deaths annually, according to the World Health Organization and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; the totals vary greatly from one year to the next. .........

How does the flu kill? The short and morbid answer is that in most cases the body kills itself by trying to heal itself. “Dying from the flu is not like dying from a bullet or a black widow spider bite,” says Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease physician at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security. “The presence of the virus itself isn't going to be what kills you. An infectious disease always has a complex interaction with its host.”

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: flu; ginakolata; influenza; thespanishlady
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To: Sequoyah101

I went to an exclusive medical facility once for an executive physical.

The supervising doctor said I was the only person he ever tested, whose D3 was at the correct level.

I was taking 5,000 iu/day at the time. I take 7;000 iu daily now.


21 posted on 12/19/2017 9:09:20 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: cyclotic

asking about flu/pneumonia shots is mandated....


22 posted on 12/19/2017 9:10:37 PM PST by cherry
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To: silverleaf

correct. My great grandmother got up on a Monday, sent the kids off to school and was dead by 2pm, sitting up in a chair.


23 posted on 12/19/2017 9:10:50 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: MtnClimber

treatment is with high potency IV corticosteroids to tamp down fatal massively out-of-control inflammation:

https://www.google.com/search?q=acute+influenza+steroids&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK2Mif75fYAhUB_IMKHQ-XD6IQvwUIJigA&biw=979&bih=353


24 posted on 12/19/2017 9:37:41 PM PST by catnipman ( Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: muglywump; webstersII

“D3 is a great idea.”

specifically, the MK-7 form of K2.


25 posted on 12/19/2017 9:40:31 PM PST by catnipman ( Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: MtnClimber

bookmark


26 posted on 12/19/2017 9:40:31 PM PST by thesearethetimes... (Had I brought Christ with me, the outcome would have been different. Dr.Eric Cunningham)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Did he think that provided benefit to you?

I am certain it does not hurt.


27 posted on 12/19/2017 9:46:19 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: silverleaf

You can take a lot of natural things to help reduce the cytokine storm and associated out of control inflammation.

Avoiding dehydration is also important.


28 posted on 12/19/2017 9:47:08 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Deaf Smith

You can also tear your esophagus and cause dangerous bleeding too.


29 posted on 12/19/2017 9:49:49 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

He didnt say what you ascibe to him. You read that in yourself.

Yes, fevers that go above 104 and appear to keep rising need to be put under control so they dont cook a persons brain.


30 posted on 12/19/2017 9:52:06 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: MtnClimber; 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...
Infectious Disease Ping- (Information only) re: flu / influenza

Information from Scientific American
FReeper comments also reflect reduced access to sunshine and resulting suppressed immune system
seems to coincide with flu/ influenza outbreaks.

31 posted on 12/19/2017 10:30:55 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt; Whenifhow; null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; ...

ping!


32 posted on 12/19/2017 11:01:32 PM PST by bitt (The first to squeal gets the best deal.)
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To: MtnClimber

By Death?


33 posted on 12/19/2017 11:26:01 PM PST by OldAsDirt
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To: cyclotic

Haven’t they determined that the efficacy of the Flu Shot is ~10%?


34 posted on 12/19/2017 11:26:01 PM PST by OldAsDirt
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To: Kartographer

One word: ZINC

Explain, please!


35 posted on 12/20/2017 12:10:43 AM PST by FrogMom (The education system: The ongoing fundamental transformation.)
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To: MtnClimber; All

Easy for Doctors to say get vaccinated, but the last time I did get the shot, my arm swelled up double. They had to give me something to counter act the vaccine.


36 posted on 12/20/2017 1:33:33 AM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: GnuThere
Who knows what really happened to this poor girl? She may have had bacterial pneumonia and sepsis which were either misdiagnosed or not yet apparent when she saw Urgent Care. When I first saw this story, I thought it was a stretch to say she died from the flu, but I guess it’s possible.

She developed a bacterial pneumonia directly as a result of having the flu. It is fairly common for people who have the flu to develop secondary bacterial infections, which they would never had had if they were not sick with the flu. The linked article claims that the secondary infections develop as a result of a "weakened" immune system, but since I am a scientist, I find the explanation inadequate. I think that the immune response to the viral infection interferes with the immune response to bacteria, and that leaves people more susceptible.

In any case, the short answer is that she died as a direct result of having influenza. She would not have caught pneumonia otherwise.

37 posted on 12/20/2017 5:00:01 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Chickensoup

I know it’s just a rote question. I wonder if we could have sued if he was given the shot against written doctors orders.


38 posted on 12/20/2017 5:05:02 AM PST by cyclotic (Trump tweets are the only news source you can trust.)
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To: OldAsDirt

I did a little research on that once. They always trot out the 30,000 deaths a year from flu. A few years ago, the actual death rate was around 280.

I’ve gotten one flu shot in my life, in the early 70’s. Since then, I think I’ve had the actual flu maybe twice.


39 posted on 12/20/2017 5:07:57 AM PST by cyclotic (Trump tweets are the only news source you can trust.)
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To: MichiganCheese
“The most effective way to prevent the flu and its many potentially lethal complications is to get vaccinated.”

Follow the money.

If money is the concern, then no medical professional anywhere would encourage people to get vaccinated. A flu shot costs ~$20. Compare that with the cost of a doctor visit (variable co-pay) and prescriptions ($52 minimum for Tamiflu, plus the painkillers, decongestants, etc.) or the cost of a hospital stay (which can quickly cost thousands). And then, if the person dies from the flu, as some 3,000-60,000 do every year in the US, funerals are also pretty pricy. There is a lot of money to be made all around through people getting sick--not so much by people getting vaccinated and avoiding sickness.

40 posted on 12/20/2017 5:08:23 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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