Posted on 12/16/2017 8:13:02 PM PST by HogsBreath
How do you know that anything that you see on the Internet these days is TRUE or REAL?
We’re living in strange times, where popular opinion can be manipulated by all sorts of.....manipulations ;-)
Well put.
Evidently it's to focus on the "Miracle of the sun" part of the Fatima goings on.
We didn't know this--a "psychic" at a seance in Lisbon, doing backwards automatic writing that could only be read with a mirror transmitted the message that something "wonderous" would be happening in Portugal soon. It was signed by a name meaning "Stella Matuchina" (sp?) = The Bright Morning Star or Star of Dawn. It referred specifically to 13 May.
Relatives of war troops were desperate to hear about them and so they sought such info through psychics frequently--typically through "automatic writing."
Mark Conn [Theologian] about automatic writing: demons are the source of automatic writings. Most people could not do backwards writing like this [in their own strength]. . . . one of such entities takes control of the human body resulting in the automatic writing.
May share some more comments from the video later.
Some folks do NOT like to go through that area. And the Apaches there don’t like to talk about the high strangeness aspects connected to the area.
That’s right.
:)
In 1978 she gained access to the secret archives of the chapel where the historic materials were kept. She wanted to study influential women of that era. She wanted to study Maria Cariara (the woman who collected money to build the first chapel in Fatima) who was the daughter of the 4th seer from the seance with the automatic writing. She had to sign an agreement to write only about the topic she listed for the scholarship she'd gotten.
What she found seemed to differ from the official story. She was writing a paper on influential women of Portugal. She died in 2014. She was given access to the records from the dates involved. She later teamed up with a Dr Fernandiz (sp?)--a scientist approaching the events.
Fina's daughter Frederica Claro D'Armada M. Ed. gave us an exclusive interview.
She only had 1.5-2 days. She had to ask specifically only what she wanted. They gave her everything she asked for. She had a tape recorder and read into it. No notes, no photographs allowed.
there were 50-70,000 people on 13 Oct 1917. They were told to ask "the lady" for a sign. There were photographers, newspaper people.
What did your mother find in the archives. What did the witnesses say.
They never saw the sun. The newspaper reporter--an atheist said it was the sun. We could see it wasn't the sun.
The witnesses saw a dull silver disc. The clouds came in front of the sun. Then the disc came out of the clouds in front of the sun. It was about 14 minutes.
Was there a few of many witnesses talking about a disc?
There were many. It depended on their position and they saw different things.
Some spoke to the newspapers and some spoke to others later.
A lawyer was in the field.
There's an event people are seeing with their naked eyes.
--a bright object
--some saw nothing
--object made right angle turns
--lasted 7 minutes and then disappeared completely.
--cloud moved in front of the sun and out of that came the disc
--silver, not shiny disc. Some people reported it had lights.
--some said the bottom was wider than the top and some saw beings in the disc.
Professor, Joaquim Fernandes PhD
Co-authored 3 books with Ms Find D'Armada ... Celestial lights etc. Q posted about them quite a number of years ago.
Interview with L.A. Marzuli
L.A. When Fina was in the sanctuary looking at the 1917 records ...
Dr F: Something physical happened.
L.A. The lawyer looked up and said he saw a dull silver disc.
Dr F: It is a common UFO phenomena where clouds form out of nowhere and then out of the clouds come a craft. That sounds like the Fatima events. The craft was about 30 meters above the crowd.
Dr F: This kind of object, this kind of energy ... like a leaf falling ... then it disappeared. some impossible maneuvers . . . This happened 3 times.
Manuel Curado PhD--Philosopher: From my point of view it is important to have the big picture of all that happened in Fatima ... spring 1915 . . . an imprecise shape--an angel like shape appeared in the spring of 1915--without a head and without a precise contour of the figure--to the same 3 shepherds but also to other kids. Oral description by Lucia. It is like a pattern--not only in Fatima but in other places, also. A milk-like entity soaring above the landscape.
Many months after the first contact, the "Marian like" apparitions unfolded. There was a kind of protocol--first the imprecise image . . . a serial production of something.
In my opinion, it was a craft . . . something built by an entity from other realms, not of this world.
Dr Manuel Domingos M. Sc PhD Neuroscientist:
First of all, it was not the sun.
I think what they saw was an object--a metal object that came through the clouds and most of the people saw the object. The Dr describes the object as silver that moved in circles.
It was something in front of the sun like a flying saucer.
Two lawyers and a Dr and a priest ... educated ... not peasants ... looking at the phenomena and they know its not the sun. Dr James was a medical Dr. He wrote what he saw. He said it was not the sun. He said it was an object in front of the sun.
It's the same thing we hear today about UFOs.
Yes, I make a connection between the Fatima event and common UFO phenomena today.
No, it was not a mass hallucination.
The Dr described the object very clearly.
Dr Bob Thiel, written about philosophy, religion, research, science & prophecy (BK: FATIMA SHOCK):
What they saw looked like a lady. They didn't say it was Mary.
Consider--these 3 children were the only ones to see 'the lady.'
L.A. 70 thousand people's paradigm--changed in an instant.
Signs and wonders are not automatic proof of truth.
The Time magazine purported picture was fake--doctored and done years later.
The original glass plate--where the sun was, has been eroded 'somehow.' . . . people influenced the whole thing for their own purposes.
etc. etc. etc. Getting tired. The video seems to be well done and is probably worth getting for those with a serious interest in the topic.
They are God’s crafts, and satan’s poor imatations. The beautiful, awesome ones are The LORD’s.
Psalm 68:17 - The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.
“Complete with the dreaded anal probe?”
i don’t remember ...
“You been checked for an implant?”
not lately ...
The ones in the leg tend to be in the calf. We don't recall about the ones in the foot. Head ones can be in ears, sides of head etc. Some even inserted up the nose into the brain--as mystifying and horrible as that sounds.
For some reason, near/in the elbow, as crazy as that sounds, is not unusual.
MRI's tend to show them up more than X-Rays, even CAT scans.
Anyway--some people want them left in. Others fiercely not.
I think the quest for satan is to constantly refine his ability to impart demon heredity into the human stock, without making it too obvious in a nasty looking way, especially to ultimately create the anti Christ and his minions. This is why he is so hung up on genetics. As in the days of Noah.....
Interesting point. He does seem to focus on that a lot. Some say, he’s building an army to joust with God and angelic forces at Armageddon with higher numbers than he started out with at 1/3 of the angels who fell with him.
I’d be interested in reading your book.
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