My DACA-ish Proposal [Vanity]

Please add to the list your own suggestions.

Round them up and deport them as the law says.

My point was that if congress wants to throw Dems a bone, at least be a stringent with the program as possible.

Amnasty.

A DACA-ish proposal would be for President Trump to implement laws he disagrees with by executive order. He wants a 20 percent corporate tax rate? Announce that he will only collect that amount from companies from here on out. He wants to end Obamacare? Announce that no one has to comply with it, and he won’t enforce it.

Obama has set the precedent. Whatever the President wants to do, he can do, and call it prosecutorial discretion.

Interesting start.

Suggested adds / modifications:

1. I would stress that such a thing would be a temporary parole, not immigration.

2. You say, children brought in prior to 13. I would add a minimum of 5 years in the country continuously.

3. I would add to the above that a comprehensive criminal background check, to include sealed juvenile records and sealed school records must be made available. ANY violation (to include smoking in the bathroom while in middle school) is cause for immediate deportation. I would quantify the minor traffic violations to specify that they can have no more than 2 points on their record at any time.

4. I don’t agree with the English proficiency after a one year period. The argument for allowing them to stay is that they are thoroughly inculturated in American life and have no real ties to their country of birth. Make them prove it immediately. No English = No Parole.

5. I would specify that each of them should have quarterly automated criminal checks and an annual face-to-face with a ICE parole officer, along with random house and workplace checks.

6. Rather than saying they have to apply for citizenship from outside the country, what I’d say is that they have to deal with close temporary as above for a minimum of 10 years...then and only then could they be allowed to apply for permanent residence status (green card). Only after 10 year temporary parole AND the 7 year green card status should they be allowed to apply for naturalization.

7. As for no in-state tuition, that is a state matter, not a federal matter. I do agree that they should not be able to take advantage of federal tuition assistance (guaranteed student loans, Pell grants, etc.). I agree on any type of federally-funded social assistance (to include a prohibition on states allowing assistance when a portion of the funding is block-granted by the federal government)

8. I would add that a condition of parole is that they voluntarily agree to be prohibited from owning any real property during the period of their parole (no sense establishing permanent ties to the country if they might have to leave). (Note that I’m talking about real property here, not personal property)

9. I would also apply an end date to eligibility for this program so it is not a magnet. I would insist upon re-authorization every two years until the final end date is reached.

10. If I was POTUS, I would insist that any such temporary parole program would not be signed until the border wall for both northern and southern borders was fully funded and that CBP and ICE be fully funded to allow for illegals that would not be impacted by this parole program could be rapidly identified, incarcerated, and deported within two years.

“My point was that if congress wants to throw Dems a bone, at least be a stringent with the program as possible.”

Do you think they would “throw one” at us? They are already challenging everything that the GOP and/or Trump has been trying to do. We’ve been too nice, too long. It’s time, really past time, for some tough love.

It is illegal for anyone to cross our border without our agreeing with their being here. Anchor babies are a technicality that never should have happened as they were in existence but not determined to be a person yet. They crossed as a part of mom. Mom is not supposed to be here.

DACA is nothing more than an excuse to keep illegal aliens on US soil so they can suck up our hospitality. They can do anything a natural born citizen can do. But without the responsibilities. According to a 2016 study by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy who did find that undocumented immigrants pay nearly $12 billion a year in state and local taxes.

But that is small potatoes as the cost to the American taxpayers of 11 million, low estimate, illegal aliens is estimated at $346 billion annually, according to the National Research Council. And medical costs specifically for uninsured individuals, alone, are estimated at $4.3 billion per year, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, primarily due to the use of emergency rooms and free clinics. This doesn’t include the billions of dollars more that are being adsorbed by hospitals for inpatient care and never paid for.

These are the “squatters” of American society. They enjoy the privileges — and many of the benefits — earned by those who reside here legally: protection from harm, emergency medical care, public education, and automatic citizenship for children if they are born in the United States to name just a few. And DACA assists them in accomplishing it. Enforce the law. Deport with no more “gifts.” And that would include compromises. And threatening to go back into “the shadows” to escape deportation is not an excuse, it the act of a criminal hiding from the laws of this country. No one should feel sorry for them. They should understand they are knowingly breaking the law. That makes them a criminal, not a victim.

rwood

Excellent additions, especially #5, #8 and #10. I meant to include close annual follow ups with immigration officials at least annually, but got lost in the brainstorm of thoughts.

The 1-year requirement to learn English was deliberately generous. I realize that the popular leftist narrative is that these "children" are already ensconced in American society's cultural environment, but you'd be surprised how resistant many are to assimilation, usually at the prodding of their "reconquista" attitudes of Mexican nationalist parents. Those who are proficient in English have an easy "A" for this requirement, those who aren't are going to have a tough row to hoe, 1 year being a decidedly short time to learn the language proficiently, and would likely be deported upon assessment anyway.

I’m assuming that RINO’s will be RINO’s, with their treasonous capitulation as usual. And since Trump seems willing to placate them, I’m just throwing in my mandatory requirements for what they insist is “for the children.”

Don’t get me wrong, I’d much rather prefer that the laws be enforced to the letter. Let the parents of these kids be to blame for upending a child’s life - it’s fully on their heads.

I would add this one - anyone allowed under the "Daca-ish" program MUST go through a full illegal alien background check if they have not already been FULLY vetted. This article is from June 11, 2013, but it points out how the DACA program was being used under the Obama administration to let pretty much anybody in, regardless of public safety & national security.

Documents Reveal DHS Abandoned Illegal Alien Background Checks to Meet Amnesty Requests Following Obama’s DACA

Again, read my proposal. IF (a big IF) Republicans insisted on implementing some type of provision to allow these people to stay, my suggestions would mitigate all of the societal costs you mention: NO public assistance, NO criminal behavior allowed, NO decision-making on public policy through the ballot box, NO pandering to a foreign mindset with seeks to impose another culture, etc.

That’s a big wish list, but since we’re suggesting enforcing the law as written, we are talking about big wish lists.

I would also add an addition tax on these “dreamers” to help pay for the additional costs of administering the program. Perhaps 5% of taxable income?

Appreciate what appears to be a lot of hard work, but ....

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/381/437/case.html
“corruption of blood” is barred by the US Constitution.
What is CORRUPTION OF BLOOD?
In English law. This was the consequence of attainder. It meant that the attainted person could neither inherit lands or other hereditaments from his ancestor, nor retain those he already had, nor transmit tliem by descent to any heir, because his blood was considered in law to be corrupted. Avery v. Everett. 110 N. Y. 317, 18 N. E. 148. 1 L. R. A. 204. 0 Am. St. Rep. 30S. This was abolished by St. 3 & 4 Wm. IV. c. 100, and 33 & 34 Vict. c. 23, and is unknown in America. Const. U. S. art. 3.

There is no need to `re-invent the wheel here’, that is, to give the open borders crowd ammo while showing weakness.
There is no need to make any concessions to our resident `North Koreans’ and their future voters.
Give them one thing, they want two more. Give them two, they want three.

Ockhams razor: the DACAns are here illegally. Their parents are here illegally. Obama’s `executive action’ was illegal. They have to go back.
Q.E.D.

PS I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!

“IF (a big IF) Republicans insisted on implementing some type of provision to allow these people to stay”

That may be acceptable to you, but it is not to me. Any GOP lawmaker that supersedes the law and takes any action that changes the intent and letter of the law is folding.

The DACA program has nothing to do with any of the tools it uses: Education, car license, an opportunity to work, or any of the other “opportunities” it provides. These are shadows (smoke and mirrors) used as a hype to get illegals in here as long as they can to try to get them citizenship as soon as the libs can figure out a way to do it so they can stack the polls. And any deal making is providing the chance that in time they will be handed that citizenship at the expense of the taxpayer and not themselves or the libs that have used them and will continue to do so to the detriment of the US citizenship.

There is no compromise. And one shouldn’t be offered as that opens up haggling. The libs are in it for anything they can get. And all they can get is what the GOP is stupid enough to give them. And they don’t deserved it. I’m tired of paying the bill. The GOP was elected to stop this type of $hit. Not meet it half way, any way, or even let it get to a way. You can’t clean up the swamp by feeding the animals. Put them out of the swamp is the first thing. Then keeping them out is second.

rwood

Point being that there is as much of a chance of implementing my suggested program as there is of any administration fully enforcing existing immigration law.

Please, let’s break down your suggestions and I’ll give you my thoughts on them.

A definitive window of “immigration” must be established by which children illegally brought to this country are allowed to temporarily stay. If they were brought before age 13, they would qualify (with official proof of birth to determine age.)
The age thing has already been established. To be eligible, applicants had to have arrived in the US before age 16 and have lived there since June 15, 2007. They could not have been older than 30 when the Department of Homeland Security enacted the policy in 2012. So anyone forever who is under 16 and can get on the soil, can be protected by this program. Be sure this will be an excuse for many more incoming illegals to sneak in. And if 11 million of them are still here, how many more will take the chance to get their kids in here. Word of mouth moves fast.

- The illegal adult PARENTS/guardians/relatives are not allowed to stay, but must, at once, depart for their country of origin. If they return illegally, the child forfeits his stay and must go through the normal legal immigration avenues to return.
I don’t think the US population is going to agree with a forced separation of families. That’s a slippery slope.

- Qualified “children” will not be allowed to receive government assistance of any kind; they must be self supporting and contribute a net positive to the economy. This includes in-state college tuition or any federal college assistance. Public schooling excepted.
DACA recipients have been able to come out of the shadows and obtain valid driver’s licenses, enroll in college and legally secure jobs. The program didn’t give them a path to become US citizens or even legal permanent residents
something immigrant rights advocates have criticized, saying it left people in limbo. All it did was take away slots for American citizens for jobs, college entry, and cost the American taxpayers billions to cover their lack of payment of taxes. They do pay taxes. But their payments do not even get close to what they, and other illegal border crossers, force the public to cover. Medical is the big one.

- Qualified “children” must learn to read, write and speak English proficiently or better, a 1-year qualification period being the maximum for assessment of these skills.
Sorry, but that a laugh. According to a study conducted in late April by the U.S. Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy, 32 million adults in the U.S. can’t read. That’s 14 percent of the population. 21 percent of adults in the U.S. read below a 5th grade level, and 19 percent of high school graduates can’t read. How can we expect the illegals to accomplish a task that many citizens already here can’t accomplish?

- NO VOTING allowed - none whatsoever, locally or nationally.
Sounds good on paper. Voter fraud has been amok for years. The DACA program was created by libs, is run by libs, and the people on it are becoming to libs. In this last election over 12000 people in LA county over the age of 103 voted for Hilary. There was a number of those that were over 117. That’s really good as the oldest living person is 116. And that’s why they are recruiting.

- If citizenship is sought, qualified “children” must work to qualify from OUTSIDE the U.S. in country of citizenship.
DACA doesn’t do anything for citizenship. But they keep them here in the US until the libs can figure out a way to get that into the mix or the illegal marries. And if they have to go outside the US to earn the chance at entering, wasn’t this the purpose they and their parent violated to begin with?

- Any crime committed and convicted, other than misdemeanor traffic violations, and those not habitually, will violate their stay and result in deportation.
Here you’re giving them something they don’t have. They are illegals. They shouldn’t be here to do crimes.

- Current and past use of fraudulent identification (SS number/card, counterfeit driver license, etc.) to obtain work will automatically disqualify “child” from the program.
They won’t need it. The program assists them in getting work.

This is a very misunderstood program. It is a way for the libs to keep illegals in the country so they can use them for their purposes, legal or not. The people in here on this program do nothing for the country and harm the people of the US. Deport them with their parents. They illegally brought them in, they can legally take them out.

I’m glad you are trying to figure out a way to get it done. But compromise isn’t the way. Following the law and sticking to it is the correct way to handle a point and be true to the people of this country in what was promisd to them when they voted this group in. Creating the slope, isn’t going to help. And it creates a lie which is an intentional falsehood because they are changing the rules. And they are doing it by conveying a false impression.

rwood

I don’t think the US population is going to agree with a forced separation of families. That’s a slippery slope.

They are not being forced to separate. The children are perfectly free to return to their country of origin with their parents.

“The children are perfectly free to return to their country of origin with their parents.”

Are you going to support an under aged illegal that has parents that were forced to leave because they had no loophole to stay and were just as illegally here as the kid?

As for support, This in an article from Newsweek:

A Morning Consult poll from April found that 56 percent of registered voters said Dreamers, another name for people who came to the U.S. as kids, “should be allowed to stay and become citizens.

More than 1,800 governors, attorneys general, mayors, state representatives, judges, police chiefs and other leaders signed onto a letter supporting Dreamers and DACA recipients.

It is estimated that around 700K jobs will open up to American citizens with an average of almost $17 an hour if the DACA recipients are deported. Jobs that should have been theirs to begin with that were secured by DACA. And the further jobs of the parents will open up also. They aren’t dreamers, their scabs!

rwood

Forgot to directly answer your question, sorry.

Is an under aged DACA member any different than an anchor baby? Both need parental assistance. So the choice is to take them back to Mexico where a majority of the illegals are from, or leave them with a relative here which places them in a status of a welfare recipient. And it is happening all the time. Saw it in California 50 to 60 years ago and it’s getting worse.

rwood