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Why Lee Should Go, and Washington Should Stay
NY Times ^ | August 21, 2017 | Jon Meacham

Posted on 08/23/2017 9:33:17 AM PDT by C19fan

I grew up on Missionary Ridge, a Civil War battlefield overlooking Chattanooga, Tenn. In my childhood we could still find minie balls from the battle in which a young Union soldier, Arthur MacArthur, the father of Douglas, received the Medal of Honor. The war’s relics were real and tangible — I still have a few on my desk as I write — and so were the war’s perennial and tragic consequences.

I remember the smoke rising from downtown riots in 1980 after an all-white jury acquitted two Ku Klux Klansmen in the drive-by shotgun shootings of four black women. (A third Klan defendant was convicted only of reduced charges.) It was a stunning verdict. “Good God,” my grandfather, a retired judge, remarked of the jurors. “They didn’t let the facts get in the way.”

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TOPICS: History; Society
KEYWORDS: confederate; left; monuments
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The American Taliban do not seem to be listening to Prof Meacham.
1 posted on 08/23/2017 9:33:17 AM PDT by C19fan
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wow, the story of the KKK shooting FOUR women to death?? Good God... sometimes I wonder how humans survive... :(
sounds like something that happens in Nigeria or Iraq or something..


2 posted on 08/23/2017 9:39:40 AM PDT by wyowolf (Be ware when the preachers take over the Republican party...)
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Meacham has accomplished one thing worthwhile: He drove Newsweak into financial ruin.


3 posted on 08/23/2017 9:40:23 AM PDT by clintonh8r (AMERICA! THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY SCREEN NAME OBSOLETE!)
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re all-white jury acquitted two Ku Klux Klansmen

Rare for the NY Slimes to be attacking Democrats.

Now do an article on what NYC did to Black men who volunteered for the Union army.

4 posted on 08/23/2017 9:41:01 AM PDT by IC Ken
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Shouldn’t we be burning history books took Jonny-Boy?


5 posted on 08/23/2017 9:43:18 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." --Claire Booth Luce)
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Alternative title: ‘Why Meacham should go, and sanity should stay’


6 posted on 08/23/2017 9:48:40 AM PDT by notdownwidems (Washington D.C. has become the enemy of free people everywhere!)
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Did the NY Times ever give back Walter Duranty’s Pulitzer Prize?


7 posted on 08/23/2017 9:51:14 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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Anyone who cannot feel some respect for Robert E. Lee, self identifies as a low life and should be treated as the ignorant trash they are.

He probably wouldn’t even approve of me saying that ...


8 posted on 08/23/2017 9:52:31 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hhate dogs. Add that up.)
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They ALL should STAY, midiot

It hurts NO ONE...why not the hysteria of today, 10 years ago? 20? 30? 40? 50?

Why is this “offensive” now?

Or is it just to get the NoIVs, crooks, bigots, methies, et al ginned up for their slavemasters political and financial gain?


9 posted on 08/23/2017 9:56:56 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Search "Vice Mayor Wes Bellamy tweets" and pass those links on to all you know)
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NY Times trying to instruct their crazies away from going 100% retard.

Too late for that.


10 posted on 08/23/2017 9:59:08 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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I thought he had already been moved.


11 posted on 08/23/2017 9:59:12 AM PDT by xp38
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We warned you, Meacham, that the left was marching down the wrong road. Live with it.


12 posted on 08/23/2017 10:12:04 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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“Why Lee Should Go, and Washington Should Stay”

The author, John Meacham, self-identifies as a “distinguished visiting professor at Vanderbilt University.”

Vanderbilt University, as many know, was named after Cornelius Vanderbilt. There are reports Mr. Vanderbilt owned plantations that worked slaves; none deny he owned textile mills that processed slave-produced cotton. He used the slave-produced cotton to make money - a profit you might say - for himself.

I would have more respect for Mr. Meacham’s column if he had included a clear-throated denunciation of Vanderbilt University, demanded the university talk down statues of Vanderbilt, demanded the university change its name, and resigned his professorship in protest of the university's legacy of hate.

I am left to ponder why he refuses to do this.

13 posted on 08/23/2017 10:15:42 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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These monuments and statues were perfectly fine on Nov 7th 2016.

Why aren’t people recognizing what is going on. Destroying American history just because you hate Trump.

Or, just a diversion from looking into DC corruption (Hillary comes to mind)


14 posted on 08/23/2017 10:15:56 AM PDT by hattend
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Very good!

In addition, they are obviously completely ignorant about Robert E. Lee. He was against slavery in principle, although he owned slaves; he fought for the Confederacy because he was a Virginian (he had been offered command of the Union forces), and after losing, accepted the defeat and spent the rest of his life trying to reintegrate Confederates into the national life (don’t forget, they had lost their citizenship) and work for reconciliation, as well as for things like getting public education for black Southerners. He should not be erased from American history, but should be held up as a model.


15 posted on 08/23/2017 10:30:04 AM PDT by livius
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ALL historic monuments should stay.

Erasing history is an attempt to rewrite it.


16 posted on 08/23/2017 10:45:22 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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F Professor Meachum. He is a traitor to the South.


17 posted on 08/23/2017 10:52:00 AM PDT by ohioman
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“The war’s relics were real and tangible — I still have a few on my desk as I write — and so were the war’s perennial and tragic consequences.”

Interesting that Meacham can write that yet fail to see that remembering the perennial and tragic consequences of the Civil War is the very reason memorials and statues should remain. Secession, the Confederacy, and Civil War wrought disaster on the South for generations. When I see a statue of Robert E. Lee, I am reminded of how even good men can squander their talents and lives on a bad cause. Those who want to get all wee-weed up about CW2 should contemplate the ashes of their desire.


18 posted on 08/23/2017 11:01:19 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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They also blew up a church and several children in it, which FINALLY proved to be the last straw because after that their membership dwindled until they became a powerless relic. My blood still boils that the President didn’t declare them to be hostile operatives and turn a couple of their hidey-holes into Swiss cheese. It took way the hell too long to put down these sore losers of a slave empire.


19 posted on 08/23/2017 11:08:30 AM PDT by ALongRoadAhead
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“The war’s relics were real and tangible — I still have a few on my desk as I write — and so were the war’s perennial and tragic consequences.”

Arrest Mr Meacham. He committed a federal crime from removing historical artifacts from a protected area.

(of course my family has a few minié balls too but they were taken from private land)
20 posted on 08/23/2017 11:22:00 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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