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Monuments Law
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Posted on 08/18/2017 6:38:58 AM PDT by pabianice

Confederate soldiers, sailors, and Marines that fought in the Civil war were made U.S. Veterans by an act of Congress in in 1957, U.S. Public Law 85-425, Sec 410, Approved 23 May, 1958. This made all Confederate Army/ Navy/ Marine Veterans equal to U.S. Veterans. Additionally, under U.S. Public Law 810, Approved by the 17th Congress on 26 Feb 1929 the War Department was directed to erect headstones and recognize Confederate grave sites as U.S. War dead grave sites. Just for the record the last Confederate veteran died in 1958. When you remove a Confederate statue, monument or headstone, you are in fact, removing a statue, monument or head stone of a U.S. VETERAN.

18 U.S. Code § 1369 - Destruction of veterans’ memorials (a) Whoever, in a circumstance described in subsection (b), willfully injures or destroys, or attempts to injure or destroy, any structure, plaque, statue, or other monument on public property commemorating the service of any person or persons in the armed forces of the United States shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both. (b) A circumstance described in this subsection is that— (1) in committing the offense described in subsection (a), the defendant travels or causes another to travel in interstate or foreign commerce, or uses the mail or an instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce; or (2) the structure, plaque, statue, or other monument described in subsection (a) is located on property owned by, or under the jurisdiction of, the Federal Government.


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1 posted on 08/18/2017 6:38:59 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Yeah, and entering the country illegally is a crime. Big woop.


2 posted on 08/18/2017 6:46:13 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Time to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!)
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To: pabianice

Several years ago there were still a couple of civil war veteran’s wives receiving survivor’s pensions. I wonder if any are left?


3 posted on 08/18/2017 6:46:59 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones.)
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To: pabianice

Excellent post.

This issue will eventually wind up in the courts.


4 posted on 08/18/2017 6:51:50 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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To: pabianice

Just his fast do you think the Congress that can’t repeal Obama are will repeal this law?


5 posted on 08/18/2017 6:52:11 AM PDT by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: pabianice

Thanks , marked


6 posted on 08/18/2017 6:57:58 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: norwaypinesavage

> Several years ago there were still a couple of civil war veteran’s wives receiving survivor’s pensions. I wonder if any are left? <

I believe there is only one person left who is stil receiving a Civil War pension: Irene Triplett. She was the daughter of a Union veteran and was still alive as of May 2017. I can’t find anything on the net about her after that. Here’s an article about her:

http://blog.theveteranssite.com/cs-irene-triplett-pension-nc/


7 posted on 08/18/2017 7:00:13 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: pabianice

It’s just such a disgrace, what they are doing.

In another note,Corker, Graham and the other RINOs should be completely ashamed of themselves for selling out the dignity of our war dead to score some cheap anti Trump points.


8 posted on 08/18/2017 7:01:35 AM PDT by keat
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To: bigbob
"Just how fast do you think the Congress that can’t repeal Obama are will repeal this law?"

Certainly bears repeating, over and over again.

9 posted on 08/18/2017 7:02:29 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: pabianice
Nope, sorry Charlie. It would be a good idea to read the law because you will find a little limiting clause "(3)(e) for the purpose of this section, and Section 433..."

Public Law 85-425

IThis is how ridiculous internet fables get started.

10 posted on 08/18/2017 7:09:03 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: pabianice

Not only veterans, but AMERICANS!


11 posted on 08/18/2017 7:14:09 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: pabianice

Yesterday, the “conservative” commentator Michael Medved endorsed the removal of Confederate monuments, saying that in pursuit of an evil cause—slavery—the Confederates killed more Americans than did the Nazis. He said that America was the only country in the world where monuments honoring the losers in a civil war can be found.


12 posted on 08/18/2017 7:14:23 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: pabianice

Ping


13 posted on 08/18/2017 7:18:11 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I don’t give a damn that the law does not specifically state that Confederate veterans are to be recognized as US veterans, the Veterans Administration makes no distinction. They are treated equallty in the VA, where I retired from a few years ago.

http://shnv.blogspot.com/2015/07/federal-law-protects-confederate.html


14 posted on 08/18/2017 7:20:16 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Man without God descends into madness")
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> He [Michael Medved] said that America was the only country in the world where monuments honoring the losers in a civil war can be found. <

That’s only because America is (or at least once was) a very gracious country. In other lands, losers in a civil war are simply murdered. History is full of such examples. Oliver Cromwell had Charles I beheaded. Later, after Cromwell died, the royalists regained power in Britain. Cromwell’s body was dug up and mutilated.

Would Medved prefer that same attitude here in America? I guess so.


15 posted on 08/18/2017 7:39:38 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“”It would be a good idea to read the law because you will find a little limiting clause “(3)(e) for the purpose of this section, and Section 433””

It would be nice if you posted the “little limiting clause” relevant section and spare us the eye strain finding what you’re referring to...


16 posted on 08/18/2017 7:42:13 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Fiji Hill

Medved is a louse, an infesting parasite sucking life blood from its host. He has no ability to think, only bite and spread disease.


17 posted on 08/18/2017 7:42:32 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Progressivism is 2 year olds in a poop fight.)
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To: Thank You Rush

Te “limiting clause” to which he refers is not relevant to the post.


18 posted on 08/18/2017 7:44:12 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Progressivism is 2 year olds in a poop fight.)
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To: bigbob

Probly by Monday, 8:00 am.


19 posted on 08/18/2017 8:15:46 AM PDT by Delta 21 (AntiFa and BLM should be on the United States list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations)
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To: pabianice; Fiji Hill; Leaning Right; Louis Foxwell

Because the Confederacy’s existence was never politically recognized, Andrew Johnson and Jefferson Davis never put a hand to a surrender document. The monuments recognize those who ended the war.

The bloodiest conflict our country ever endured, that resolved the issues of states’ rights, secession, and slavery, relied exclusively on military actions. These military actions were fought out to the last measure of human endurance. Great men like Grant, Sherman, Lee, and Johnston, and their soldiers resolved what should have been political issues. Monuments North and South testify to the sincerity of those few who endured the tragedy of that struggle.

Their involvement came after abolitionists and planters and their political allies failed to identify those positions outside their inflexible ideologies that would have brought peaceful agreement. Instead these fire-eating miscreants of both persuasions stumbled into the Civil War.

Now similar intellectual dwarfs would rewrite this history.


20 posted on 08/18/2017 8:18:04 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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