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How Did Opioids Become the Next American Tragedy?
8/8/17 | Originalbuckeye

Posted on 08/08/2017 12:55:41 PM PDT by originalbuckeye

IIRC, Obama was asked at a Townhall in 2008, whether a woman's 98 year old mother would be allowed to have a pacemaker inserted, after his health care plan was implemented. The woman said her mother still had a joi d'vivre and did not want to die. Didn't Obama reply 'well, maybe sometimes you should just take a pain pill'?


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: opioids; slowmotioncoup; steyn
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To: Timpanagos1; Brian Griffin
So, bricks in Florida are more heavy than the bricks in Colorado?

Of course they are. The air is much thinner in the higher altitudes (which Florida does not have) and consequently solid objects weigh much much less.

41 posted on 08/08/2017 1:59:52 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I bought a house on a one-way street that's also a dead end and now I can't leave.)
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To: Timpanagos1

They most definitely are not the same drug! Get your facts straight.


42 posted on 08/08/2017 2:01:33 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: originalbuckeye

The CMS ORDERED that all doctors, hospitals and medical providers who receive Medicare, Medicaid or any federal government money MUST treat PAIN as a PRIMARY factor and not just reduce it, but eliminate it.

This CMS mandate was an escalation of a previous mandate that providers must CONSIDER pain. Under Trump, the CMS requirement has been pretty much rolled to CONSIDER. But in true bureaucratic manner, it has been rolled back in very confusing language where the government does not admit they made a mistake.

CMS mandating Opioids is just the tip of the ice berg. CMS imposes many mandates on doctors, and patients, and hospitals, and pharmacists, and insurance companies, and IT companies that develop software for them.

The doctor is right there, in front of the patient. The CMS is not. But in the eyes of the CMS, there must be equality of treatment. Doctor’s inherently discriminate based on their past experience and education. It is the job of CMS to remove the discriminating behavior of the provider and bring equality of healthcare to everyone.


43 posted on 08/08/2017 2:02:25 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: wku man
we are a weak nation, a weak people.

...we can't even put up with a little headache or back ache ( and many painful conditions especially neck and back improve on their own with PT and OTC meds.)

..we are impatient, whiny, wimpy.

and so many of us go to the doctor EXPECTING a prescription...

..you know this is true...

and yes, the docs and hospitals were FORCED to treat pain very very aggressively and were forced to medicate no matter if the person was sitting there laughing and eating, if he said he had pain, you better quick give him his dilaudid....

the docs are wising up a bit now...not quite so quick to prescribe at least in the hospital setting, but they still allow whiny patients to dictate what meds the need...most of these types are the younger sloths that we have so many of now .

44 posted on 08/08/2017 2:09:50 PM PDT by cherry
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To: sparklite2

“After our attempts to destroy forty percent of Afghanistan’s economy by eradicating their opiate production, we find ourselves swimming in opioids. Part of the problem might be with those who think suffering from pain is noble, so long as someone else has to do it. There’d be no black market if doctors prescribed whatever is necessary without being scolded for doing so.”

Great post. I’m so sick of the handwringing over this “opioid crisis”.

The drug war fascists need to get a life & allow suffering patients to get their meds. The government is making a crisis where there is none.

As it is, it’s almost impossible to get a doctor to prescribe pain medication because of the doctor’s fear of the government. Patients are forced to pay $15 to $20 a pill on the black market just for some relief.

A year ago, I sprained my neck pretty badly. I had to wear a neck collar and attend physical therapy for several weeks. When I was in the ER, the ER doc refused to give me anything stronger than an naproxen. It’s not as if I was wanting a lifetime supply of pain meds, just enough to get me through the first few days.

Ridiculous.


45 posted on 08/08/2017 2:19:37 PM PDT by CrimsonTidegirl
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To: dinodino

a junkie is a junkie.

It does not matter if he takes pills, snorts it or shoots it, the addict is a junkie.


46 posted on 08/08/2017 2:22:59 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: originalbuckeye

Doctors were given out OxyContin like it was candy.


47 posted on 08/08/2017 2:23:47 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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Well, maybe sometimes BHO should have submitted a urine sample...


48 posted on 08/08/2017 2:37:56 PM PDT by Clutch Martin (Hot sauce aside, every culture has its pancake, just as every culture has its noodle.)
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To: Timpanagos1
The path to being a junkie is not relevant.

But in particular what you are hooked on and your habits as a addict do matter.

Do you include alcoholics in your statement?

49 posted on 08/08/2017 2:40:37 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: originalbuckeye
Has Medicaid Made the Opioid Epidemic Worse?

How Obamacare Is Fueling America's Opioid Epidemic

50 posted on 08/08/2017 2:46:16 PM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: originalbuckeye

Single-payer Medicaid/Medicare pay structure highly encouraged giving pills instead of treating the problem.
Increased illegal supply occurred too (Mexico, Afghanistan).
Opioids are much more dangerous than other drugs.
Crazy dangerous.

I don’t see a direct connection between their higher use in a single-payer health plan and the current push for one. Might be there though.

Anyway the media always wants a new headline and politicians always want to spend money.


51 posted on 08/08/2017 3:08:16 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: originalbuckeye

I saw an article a couple months back that showed this isn’t everywhere in the US. It is mostly limited to states that chose Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion. Which pays for cheap pain pills, but doesn’t pay enough to attract doctors good enough to cure the pain. Without middle class Medicaid the middle class isn’t getting hooked on opioids or government. Liberalism kills


52 posted on 08/08/2017 5:52:59 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Waiting for the tweets to hatch!)
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To: originalbuckeye
Opioids were around in medicine for decades before the current epidemic broke out. It ain't the docs and it ain't pharma. It's a generation of losers addicted to immediate gratification at all costs, including flirting with death.

Yes it's that simple. This is a generational problem.

53 posted on 08/08/2017 7:16:27 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: PGR88

“Do you include alcoholics in your statement?”

Whether it is booze, pills, crack, crank or heroin, the end is all too often, death.

The commonality is that their weakness for their drug is all the same.


54 posted on 08/08/2017 8:36:05 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: sparklite2; shanover

“Part of the problem might be with those who think suffering from pain is noble, so long as someone else has to do it”

Sounds like an easy line to pull out of thin air.

Opium coming from Afghanistan is one of the products of progressivist influence on policy in recent years. It has made America worse.

And we all know why Trump won the election.


55 posted on 08/08/2017 9:20:02 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: shanover

Anyone who commits felonies belongs in prison.

Vast societal problems like the opioid crisis are what we get when big money is allowed to be on the receiving end of any progressivist scheme.


56 posted on 08/08/2017 9:22:34 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: originalbuckeye

Opioid abuse is a BEHAVIOR. Addicts fake pain to get the scrip. People in real pain are given pills instead of treatment for the cause.


57 posted on 08/09/2017 9:02:47 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW!“At 9 a.m. this morning a shipbo Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH)
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