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To: re_tail20

.30 caliber is a sentimental choice that just isn’t necessary anymore in a main battle rifle. I would go with 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendell. Lots of good bullets that are heavy for caliber which means good penetration. Once again, the military looks backward for inspiration instead of forward. Very disappointing. 6.8 SPC is just perfect for a combat round.


8 posted on 08/07/2017 9:47:31 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world yet loses his soul?)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Looks backwards , ya maybe they can go back 45.70 ,I’m sure they still have some Springfields in storage someplace


9 posted on 08/07/2017 9:51:12 AM PDT by butlerweave (it's the children are)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I agree. Anybody that has shot a 7.62x51 will know you can’t control it in automatic mode.

I like the 6.8 and 6.5 options a whole lot better and they both offer more control to the soldier.

I believe the 6.5 has a ballistic coefficient edge to the 6.8.


13 posted on 08/07/2017 9:53:42 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Americans are modern day Amorites ripe for destruction)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Agreed. The Army screwed up when they adopted the 7.62 round the first time. You’ll probably never convince them of that though let alone convince them to correct the mistake.


53 posted on 08/07/2017 1:55:13 PM PDT by RC one (The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
"6.8 SPC is just perfect for a combat round"

Based on your extensive combat experience, I assume?

54 posted on 08/07/2017 1:59:01 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

“.30 caliber is a sentimental choice that just isn’t necessary anymore in a main battle rifle. I would go with 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendell. Lots of good bullets that are heavy for caliber which means good penetration. Once again, the military looks backward for inspiration instead of forward. Very disappointing. 6.8 SPC is just perfect for a combat round.”


They are looking for a plate penetrator - and for that, the 6.8 is not great. 6.5 Grendel would be much better (not necessarily the best, but definitely better). It shoots a long, thin bullet at respectable velocities, which is just what you need for penetration.

An added advantage of the 6.5 Grendel is that it was specifically made to fire using the M16/M4 magwell and magazines, which would mean that all that Uncle would have to buy would be 50,000 uppers and associated spare parts. Of course, better to by 50,000 full rifles and spares, but if you’re looking for cost savings, there you go. No new training necessary - if you are competent with the M4, then you can shoot a 6.5 Grendel.


59 posted on 08/07/2017 3:37:55 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free; All

Someone should just chamber an AR-10 platform in .284 Win...

(I would SO be on that, plus it would make for cheap ammo for my unicorn gun)


63 posted on 08/07/2017 3:45:31 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Perfect, except for the need to produce, stockpile, and distribute a new caliber in the military logistics system. 7.62x51 is used in a lot of existing systems.


92 posted on 08/08/2017 4:43:47 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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