Posted on 07/11/2017 8:34:03 AM PDT by rdl6989
you can see the book the photo was printed in in the link i posted above- not sure what the ONI was doing with the photo- but they are the same photograph- no doubt about it- the photo in the book was years before she took her flight apparently
I watched the documentary. The photo was the one thing which I thought was interesting. Without it the whole story falls apart.
I have seen other investigations about her disappearance and several facts clash with what they said last night. One thing was they claimed she had plenty of fuel to have reached the Marshall Islands but in fact she was fighting unexpected strong head winds the whole way and just barely was going to make it to Howland.
Also the Itasca radio operators said her signal got really strong before it ended, indicating that they were really close to where they were supposed to be.
Does The History Channel do any other kind?
See post #8 for your answer :D
Frankly, I am attracted to this genre of documentary, but the answer to “Has the mystery of (fill in the blank) finally been solved?” is always “No.” I don’t get suckered in by the promos any more.
Yeah, and that’s too bad. It was a fine channel when it launched.
So much potential.
The two photo’s are clearly the same, no doubts about that.
but, could the Japanese credits be incorrect? Could the Japanese source be citing the wrong date for when the photo was taken?
Shades of "Monster Quest".
I was going to post essentially the same thing you did, so I'll just say #1 to your post.
Even when they did produce shows based on actual facts, the information was scarcely more than you'd get from reading the dust-jacket of a real book.
Never bought this. She didn’t look to be in custody in the pic.
The premise of their theory made ZERO sense for intelligence purposes, because is provides no useful intelligence. On-the-other-hand, the photo as a travelogue picture or tourist picture, the photo makes all kinds of sense when you consider the framing done for artistic purposes. The photographer was not trying to capture the people in the picture for identification purposes, but rather took the picture because it made an interesting photographic tableau.
These Earhart seekers can be totally off-the-wall. I read an article yesterday that got me thinking about the evidence. This ignorant bozo paid to bring a highly trained cadaver sniffing dog to where he thought Earhart's and Noonan's bodies might be buried 80 years after that burial making the unfounded assumption that a cadaver sniffing dog could even sniff out an 80 year old cadaver, and more distinguish it from all the other dead animals that may have died and been left to rot on and in the soil of that island! No, bozo, cadaver sniffing dogs are good to find only fairly fresh bodies, say less than a year old, not 80 year old dry bones. SHEESH!
The dog had a slight reaction to a TREE TRUNK—do you suppose it may have been smelling another dog's marking of the tree?—so the Bozo dug up the soil at the base of the tree to test for human DNA. Yes, you read that right. No doubt this Bozo is going to claim victory if he finds human DNA chains in any degraded DNA he may find in the soil at the base of a tree. He is hanging his "scientific" propeller beanie on non-peer-reviewed claims that Neanderthal DNA has been found, extracted, analyzed, and identified from the soil dug up in caves where Neanderthal men did cave drawings. (Hint: it has not been peer-reviewed because it's not replicable, there is not reliable sample of Neanderthal DNA for comparison to assure it WAS Neanderthal DNA they found, and their protocols were completely questionable, and literally zero basis for their conclusions!) This "searcher" thinks he'll be able to do the same and get similar and definitive results based on a cadaver dog's nose discovered soil sample Noonan or Earhart DNA? Give me a break! Great for hyperbolic headlines, but hardly dispositive or even useful.
The Pacific Ocean is a huge body of water and, in comparison, the limited number of islands on which they can land are few and small and far apart and hard to find if one makes even a small mistake in navigation or calculations. Occam's Razor says the simplest answer is usually the right answer: Earhart and Noonan got their bearings wrong and crashed when they ran out of fuel.
Next up from History Channel:
Found! Jimmy Hoffa in Disneyland Hotel!
This Wednesday on American Picker, Mike and Frank, go on a tropical island pick and barter for priceless Amelia Earhart artifacts with the natives. (fake, fabricated sarcasm)
I’ll admit, I was suckered by the photo.
In the travelogue version photo, “Noonan” looks a lot more Pacific-Islander than he does in the show.
And back in the 70’s I read articles how the sasquatch footprints and “video” were real because experts said the unique weight distribution in the footprints and videotaped movement could not have been made a man in fake feet or a monkey suit. The only difference between these yokels and the evolution “experts” who foisted the ascent of Man hoaxes on unsuspecting students for decades are the number of degrees after their names. https://evolutionisntscience.wordpress.com/evolution-frauds/
The History, Aliens and Mermaids Channel.
Such phoniness from a channel that was once decent.
I don't really fault the analysis of the photograph, though. Under the assumption that the photograph was valid, this was about all they could do. As they stated in the documentary, there was not enough pixelation in the photograph to use facial recognition software. About all the researchers are left with is facial overlays and relative body measurements. When zoomed in, the face of the man does strongly resemble Fred Noonan.
Someone commissioned to determine identities in the photograph probably has no reason to question the validity of the date of the photo or its supposed location. Once it was determined to some degree of likelihood that the man in the photograph was possibly Noonan, it is not a huge leap to say that could be Amelia Earhart. The only story that would have put Noonan in the stated place at the stated time would involve Amelia Earhart. The person sitting on the dock does bear a resemblance to Earhart from behind. Again, due to lack of data, a measurement of limb proportion is about all that can be done.
Were the results overstated? Yes, to some degree. To the defense of the expert, he didn't go to his highest degree of assurance. History Channel was the one that took liberties with the conclusion.
The part that I found the most interesting was the "281 North Howland" message. I'm not a navigator, so it might be total nonsense but it seemed logical to me. We know that Earhart radioed that she was flying at 1000 feet to get under the clouds. If the documentary is to be believed, the only large bank of clouds that day was a building storm about 250-300 miles north of Howland Island. If she unknowingly was that far north of Howland Island and turned to return to the Solomon Islands, she would have gone straight into the Marshall Islands. The "281 North" could have been a compass bearing and not the mileage from Howland Island and that compass bearing goes right through the Marshall Islands' atoll where they claim the emergency landing occurred.
I miss the History Channel back when they did real history and the Gunny was their most popular host.
the problem is i can take a photo of a man with receding hair, a large nose, and superimpose it over noonan’s photo and decrease the opacity, and have it ‘match’ and i can take any woman’s photo who is the same size as ameilia’s and measure from shoulders to hips and say it’s her if the measurements are close- most women her size will have the same body type- nothing unusual about it-
The conclusion should have been “Intriguing, but far to little to make a determination on- far too many people fit the same dimension- we can’t say with any degree of accuracy if these are noonan and amelia- but it’s possible, given what was presented us”
[[To the defense of the expert, he didn’t go to his highest degree of assurance.]]
He went with ‘very high’ degree- i disagree- I think it’s more ‘a slight chance- given the lack of details and the fact that many people fit the profiles of both- we just don’t have enough to state with any assurance that it is them- could it be? Sure- could it be two completely different people? You betcha”
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