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Silent but deadly
1 posted on 07/05/2017 5:58:17 AM PDT by Mechanicos
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To: Mechanicos

Those things are quiet without a suppressor. Must be whisper quiet now.


2 posted on 07/05/2017 6:03:04 AM PDT by robroys woman
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To: Mechanicos

Pass the Hearing Protection Act and I’ll buy one.


3 posted on 07/05/2017 6:08:08 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Mechanicos

When it said “short” I thought it was using .22 shorts.


4 posted on 07/05/2017 6:18:39 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Mechanicos

Later


5 posted on 07/05/2017 6:31:29 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Mechanicos

TAKE MY MONEY!!!


6 posted on 07/05/2017 6:32:21 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: Mechanicos

Is a built in suppressor street legal?


7 posted on 07/05/2017 6:34:26 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Mechanicos

How much $?


8 posted on 07/05/2017 6:35:32 AM PDT by deweyfrank (Nobody's Perfect)
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To: Mechanicos

Is is a barrel extender with built in silencer?

http://ruger.com/micros/silent-sr-ISB/index.html


11 posted on 07/05/2017 6:37:33 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Mechanicos
Model Number Caliber Material/Finish Effective Barrel Length Legal Barrel Length Weight Suggested Retail
19001 22 LR 17-4 Stainless and Aluminum/Cerakote™ 10.62" 16.12" 2.6 lbs $629.00

12 posted on 07/05/2017 6:45:31 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Mechanicos

Israel will be a very big customer . Great guns for shooting legs and breaking up protests


15 posted on 07/05/2017 6:59:11 AM PDT by butlerweave (it's the children are)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

P4L


16 posted on 07/05/2017 6:59:20 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Mechanicos

As long as they modify the action at the factory so it will cycle with subsonic rounds. Shouldn’t have to modify a gun out of the box to do what you want.


17 posted on 07/05/2017 6:59:33 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Mechanicos

Is this legal without a permit?


21 posted on 07/05/2017 8:29:46 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Drain the Swamp is not party specific. Lyn' Ted is still a liar, Good riddance to him.)
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To: Mechanicos

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BS!

You cannot silence a super-sonic projectile!

(More physics, less BS)


23 posted on 07/05/2017 9:32:21 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Mechanicos
The term "integral" when used in reference to a suppresor usually carries two connotations. The first is that it doesn't (substantially) lengthen the barrel. The second is that it somehow reduces muzzle velocity so that bespoke subsonic ammunition is not necessary.

It probably is more common to find integral suppressors made using a standard length barrel. Both the dual-objectives are served by "porting" the barrel, drilling a series of holes into the bore, then surrounding the barrel with a shroud containing the (sound and pressure-reducing) baffle stack. So propellant gasses are tapped off from the barrel and redirected into the shroud, leaving less pressure contained behind the bullet, reducing its velocity at the muzzle. The OSS's High Standard HDM of WWII was made this way:



And the ported-barrel integral suppressor is still common. That's what HK's MP5SD uses. And some of the aftermarket integrally-suppressed barrels for the Ruger MKIV and Browning Buckmark pistols.

But Ruger didn't want a barrel any shorter than 16" in this application because that would have made it necessary for the buyer to buy two $200 NFA tax stamps, one for the "silencer" (the term used on the BATFE Form 4) and the second for the short-barreled rifle (SBR). And starting with a a 16" barrel and porting it to achieve the desired effect only would have driven up manufacturing costs.

BATF accepts any muzzle device as part of the length of the entire barrel provided it is attached by a method they consider "permanent." Probably the most commonly used "approved" method is pinning (like bradding) used in conjunction with silver-soldering. For instance you could take the barrel off your AR15 to any NFA gunsmith and have him trim it down to 15", then add a muzzle brake or flash suppressor/hider or quick-disconnect for a suppressor, literally any muzzle device, so long as it extends >1" past the end of the barrel's muzzle, then have it pinned and silver-soldered. So long as it's at least 16" from the breechface to the end of the muzzle device, it dodges the additional SBR tax, even though the barrel itself is <16".

So Ruger skirted the whole SBR issue (reducing the buyer's tax liability by $200 in the doing) by permanently attaching a shroud which extends 16.12" from the breechface. From the perspective of the law, it's still a 16" bbl regardless of whether there's a baffle stack inside, otherwise the baffles couldn't (by the letter of the law) be removable. Which they need to be because rimfire powder is foul-burning stuff, and all rimfire cans need to be dis-assemble-able so they can be cleaned from time to time. But you'd be perfectly legal to shoot it with the baffle stack removed, because the shroud remains in place.

And I stand corrected. The barrel in this rifle is actually 10.62" in length, not ten even.
31 posted on 07/05/2017 1:06:20 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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