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To: Swordmaker
Ok, I'll correct that since you think it's a big deal.

Accounts the US Justice Department and IRS along with the equivalents in four or five European countries along with China and Japan know Apple uses to hide from taxes.

So, you're right, there are probably a few total dolts who don't know that Apple and every other company with manufacturing overseas hides income in such accounts and with the same accounting tricks. If your contention is that Apple has less on the ball when it comes to accounting than other companies that's fine with me.

As for the rest of your BS, you're doing what's known as mirror imaging, that is, you attribute to Apple the same motives and values you have when an impartial analysis might well lead you to a different conclusion. That leads you to believe what Cook and Apple see as rational actions are the same actions you would choose.

I actually don't give a rip what fans of Apple do one way or another. It's their money to spend and if they like to think they have a tidy little secure device, more power to em'.

Kiss your Apple hardware good night and have a wonderful day tomorrow.

37 posted on 03/30/2017 2:48:59 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Rashputin; All

You’re probably right. Myself I don’t trust the govt one whit and I certainly don’t give Apple the benefit of the doubt anymore. Not after what happened to me (well really my iPhone) this past year.

Apple is all for the customer, in the customer’s corner? Ha! I have a whopper of a tale that would put that falsity to rest, bigly, and I may just post it someday. But it’s so outrageous some may not even believe it, and I really don’t know if it would help anyone to share it. Suffice to say Apple”Care” is a SHAM, a FRAUD, PERIOD!

But this is another reason I may not post my story. It may get me all worked up again over the entire affair. And it was so horrible part of me wants to just move on with my life.

I can assure you though this is the last Apple product I will be purchasing.

Which brings me to the main point of my post on this thread: when I get another phone, I honestly don’t believe there is any that can claim to be any more secure than another. So anyone can beat up on Apple all they want, I really don’t care. But I’ll never be convinced any phone is secure, for the exact reasons you’ve just described against Apple.

All corporations are possibly in such collision as you allege against Apple. There’s no reason to believe any phone manufacturer is squeaky clean in this area.


49 posted on 03/30/2017 4:49:12 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Rashputin

“So, you’re right, there are probably a few total dolts who don’t know that Apple and every other company with manufacturing overseas hides income in such accounts and with the same accounting tricks. “

“Hiding income” is a phrase that has been used by liberals to describe companies keeping foreign profits from coming back to the US so to avoid double taxation. The US is the only developed country that does not give a deduction for taxes paid to other countries AND has the highest top bracket in the developed world. That is why Apple and others do “tax inversions”.

Don’t get fooled by the libs.


62 posted on 03/30/2017 8:01:46 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Rashputin
I actually don't give a rip what fans of Apple do one way or another. It's their money to spend and if they like to think they have a tidy little secure device, more power to em'.

That has to be one of the biggest whoppers ever on an Apple Thread. What ever would compel you to come to an Apple Thread and call Apple users Stupid or insane or both if you didn't?

65 posted on 03/30/2017 9:11:38 AM PDT by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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To: Rashputin
Accounts the US Justice Department and IRS along with the equivalents in four or five European countries along with China and Japan know Apple uses to hide from taxes.

And you are lying. If the US IRS had a problem with Apple, they'd be sending them a huge tax bill. They are not.

Apple pays MORE taxes than almost any other US Business and in many years it pays the MOST income tax that ALL other US Businesses. These are not my opinions but facts published by the IRS and easily learned. I published FACTS and you dismissed these facts with innuendo. So what if one commission in Europe wants more of Apple's pie. That commission is the EU's "COMPETITON BUREAU" not their taxation bureau! That bureau, lead by a rabid socialist came to the conclusion that Apple, taking advantage of Ireland's tax law intended to attract foreign business that any business could use, was not paying its fair share of Ireland's income taxes. IRELAND is disputing that conclusion! Another one is Italy's socialist government. . . who also wants to reverse hundreds of years of international tax law. . . and tax Apple on the income that rightfully should be taxed in the US and, in fact, has already been taxed here.

EXACTLY WHAT PART OF APPLE PAYS AN APPROXIMATELY 28% EFFECTIVE US INCOME TAX RATE DO YOU FAIL TO GRASP??? What part of the FACT that it is 10 percentage points HIGHER than the rate that Microsoft pays do you fail to understand? Again, these are easily learned FACTS! They are publicly available and filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission in Apple's and Microsoft's 10K on an annual basis. . . but you apparently wouldn't know that, getting your news from the rumor mill instead, preferring to believe innuendo instead of independent and certified audits which are relied on by courts of law and taxing agencies around the world. YOU WANT TO BELIEVE THE WORST.

Since you have no real facts, you resort to insulting me directly and by imputation. That says a lot more about YOU. What you are imputing to these corporations is projection. It is obviously what YOU would do if you were in charge of them.

Again, we are back to this false premise of "everyone knows" . . . assumptions makes an "ass" out of you, because you "assume," instead of doing the hard work to actually find out the truth. I refuse to accept the rest of that old adage. I do the research, instead of assuming.

68 posted on 03/30/2017 11:07:08 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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