Trump's wire-tapping evidence. Your predictions?

[MNDude]

Trump recently stated on an interview on Fox news that he would be submitting some interesting evidence that he was spied on.

What do you predict he is going to release, and how strong will this evidence be?

[Grampa Dave]

“Just tell the American people that all their communications are captured, whether it is done by the NSA or our allies who then exchange the capture data with the US state either before or after it is analyzed. Blow the whole thing up. Snowden says the yearly secret budget for electronic surveillance is 50 billion +. Homeland security estimated the cost of a southern border wall was only going to be around 20 billion or so, if I recall.”

First of two parts and maybe more on the 7+ decades long history of the UK’s spying on our people and us spying on their people.

UKUSA Agreement
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The UKUSA Community: Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States

The United Kingdom – United States of America Agreement (UKUSA, /;/ew-koo-sah)[1][2] is a multilateral agreement for cooperation in signals intelligence between Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States. The alliance of intelligence operations is also known as the Five Eyes.[3][4][5][6][7]

In classification markings this is abbreviated as FVEY, with the individual countries being abbreviated as AUS, CAN, NZL, GBR, and USA, respectively.[8]

Emerging from an informal agreement related to the 1941 Atlantic Charter, the secret treaty was renewed with the passage of the 1943 BRUSA Agreement, before being officially enacted on 5 March 1946 by the United Kingdom and the United States. In the following years, it was extended to encompass Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Other countries, known as “third parties”, such as West Germany, the Philippines, and several Nordic countries also joined the UKUSA community.[9][10]

Much of the sharing of information is performed via the ultra-sensitive STONEGHOST network, which has been claimed to contain “some of the Western world’s most closely guarded secrets”.[11]

Besides laying down rules for intelligence sharing, the agreement formalized and cemented the “Special Relationship” between the UK and the USA.[12][13]

Due to its status as a secret treaty, its existence was not known to the Prime Minister of Australia until 1973,[14] and it was not disclosed to the public until 2005.

[13] On 25 June 2010, for the first time in history, the full text of the agreement was publicly released by the United Kingdom and the United States, and can now be viewed online.[9][15] Shortly after its release, the seven-page UKUSA Agreement was recognized by Time magazine as one of the Cold War’s most important documents, with immense historical significance.[13]
The global surveillance disclosure by Edward Snowden has shown that the intelligence-sharing activities between the First World allies of the Cold War are rapidly shifting into the digital realm of the Internet.[16][17][18]

Due to its status as a secret treaty, its existence was not known to the Prime Minister of Australia until 1973,[14] and it was not disclosed to the public until 2005.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement#Origins_.281940s.E2.80.931950s.29

[varon]

If there’s anything the FReepers lack it certainly isn’t imagination.........

[Fresh Wind]

Trump will admit that he has nothing, that there was no surveillance, and that the Russians really did hack the election. He will then submit his resignation and endorse Hillary’s 2020 candidacy. /s

[Grampa Dave]

Part two of ??? parts history of our agreement where the Brits spied on our people and we spied on their people for 7+ decades. Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.

“It couldn’t possibly be true, because that is not how our system works,” Pelosi said during a Christian Science Monitor breakfast in Washington.

“We do not investigate, through a FISA court, Americans — here or abroad.”

Well, Nancy how about this: Part two of ??? parts history of our agreement where the Brits spied on our people and we spied on their people for 7+ decades. Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.

MUSCULAR (surveillance program)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MUSCULAR (DS-200B), located in the United Kingdom,[1] is the name of a surveillance programme jointly operated by Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) and the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) that was revealed by documents which were released by Edward Snowden and interviews with knowledgeable officials.[2] GCHQ is the primary operator of the program.[1]

GCHQ and the National Security Agency have secretly broken into the main communications links that connect the data centers of Yahoo! and Google.[3]Substantive information about the program was made public at the end of October 2013.

Contents:

1 Overview
2 Operational details
3 Reactions and countermeasures
4 Gallery
5 See also
6 References
7 External links

Overview:

The programme is jointly run by:
– Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) (United Kingdom)
– U.S. National Security Agency (NSA)

MUSCULAR is one of at least four other similar programs that rely on a trusted 2nd party, programs which together are known as WINDSTOP.

In a 30-day period from December 2012 to January 2013, MUSCULAR was responsible for collecting 181 million records. It was however dwarfed by another WINDSTOP program known (insofar) only by its code DS-300 and codename INCENSER, which collected over 14 billion records in the same period.[4]
Operational details:

According to the leaked document the NSA’s acquisitions directorate sends millions of records every day from internal Yahoo! and Google networks to data warehouses at the agency’s headquarters at Fort Meade, Maryland.

The programme operates via an access point known as DS-200B, which is outside the United States, and it relies on an unnamed telecommunications operator to provide secret access for the NSA and the GCHQ.[3]

According to the Washington Post, the MUSCULAR program collects more than twice as many data points (“selectors” in NSA jargon) compared to the better known PRISM.[2]

Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.

Because of the huge amount of data involved, MUSCULAR has presented a special challenge to NSA’s Special Source Operations. For example, when Yahoo! decided to migrate a large amount of mailboxes between its data centers, the NSA’s PINWALE database (their primary analytical database for the Internet) was quickly overwhelmed with the data coming from MUSCULAR.[5]

Closely related programmes are called INCENSER and TURMOIL. TURMOIL, belonging to the NSA, is a system for processing the data collected from MUSCULAR.[1]

According to a post-it style note from the presentation, the exploitation relied on the fact that (at the time at least) data was transmitted unencrypted inside Google’s private cloud, with “Google Front End Servers” stripping and respectively adding back SSL from/to external connections.

According to the Washington Post: “Two engineers with close ties to Google exploded in profanity when they saw the drawing.” After the information about MUSCULAR was published by the press, Google announced that it was working on deploying encrypted communication between its datacenters.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUSCULAR_(surveillance_program)

[dila813]

Comey “We feel that this crime wouldn’t be reasonable be ever prosecuted at a Federal Level and the State of NY has already indicted the accused”

[butlerweave]

Obama taking off to Tahiti

[batterycommander]

Agreed. NYPD officers know where to get a big payday. He has 38,000 NYPD intel officers feeding him tips.

[Redwood71]

I have little doubt that Trump was not spied upon. Oh course he was. That’s how governments work, especially ours. I, also, have little doubt the trail won’t lead to anyone but the lowest level of the chain as to who’s responsible. That’s also how the government and the libs work.

The humor in it for me is that now we are actually using wireless cyber spying that the government and the media denied existed just a short time ago in a television commercial to try to advertise for people to join the army. And yet the libs continue to say it isn’t done by anybody. Even for something as serious as a presidential election. How stupid is that? COME ON, MAN!!!

red

[moehoward]

Without question the Hussein admin monitored/eavesdropped/wire tapped/surveyed many people they deemed opposition. Dennis Kucinich and Sharyl Attkisson are just a couple. They tried and tried to bury Trump and couldn’t do it, you better believe they were watching him hard.

Officially the story is dead. Even Trump sounded like he’s accepted it in the presser with Merkel. All news outlets have their marching orders now. Expect Judge Napolitano to be scarce on FOX and maybe to permantly gone.

[Grampa Dave]

Warning to those not born in the US, the image below can not be shown to Foreign Born. Probably Obama and Jarrett* should just close their eyes and move on.

According to a post-it style note from the presentation, the exploitation relied on the fact that (at the time at least) data was transmitted unencrypted inside Google's private cloud, with "Google Front End Servers" stripping and respectively adding back SSL from/to external connections. According to the Washington Post: "Two engineers with close ties to Google exploded in profanity when they saw the drawing." After the information about MUSCULAR was published by the press, Google announced that it was working on deploying encrypted communication between its datacenters.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUSCULAR_(surveillance_program)

*Jarrett’s involvement in Iran is cause for concern for three additional reasons–two minor and one major. One minor reason is that she was born there. That should not automatically disqualify anyone, of course, any more than being born in the Soviet Union would have disqualified an anti-Soviet dissident. But Jarrett was born in 1956 to American expatriates in the aftermath of the CIA-assisted coup that deposed Mohammad Mossadegh.

[moehoward]

“I read Napolitano’s chilling article and am convinced that he knows a lot more than he is saying. “

Could be he was fed a line of bull to discredit him. Or it was a false story to see who is leaking to FOX.

[Starboard]

In the meantime more and more Americans are waking up to the reality that there may be rogue elements in the federal government, and it’s not just kook talk anymore.

*************

In short, the Deep State is not imaginary; its very real. Power corrupts.

[Oldeconomybuyer]

Obama planned to collect or invent enough evidence against Trump to destroy him, his business, family, and associates under the watchful eye of the Clinton administration.

Mr. Trump spoiled their plan by winning. But the Obama/Clinton cabal was so confident that she would win, that they left a trail of evidence behind sufficient to prosecute. Which will not happen.

[LadyBuzz]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4326152/UK-spying-Trump-source-invented-Michelle-Obama-hoax.html

Donald Trump’s press secretary repeated a claim first made on Fox News by legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano that UK spies helped Obama surveil Trump
One of Napolitano’s sources is Larry C. Johnson, a former CIA analyst who also invented false claim that Michelle Obama made a taped slur about whites
White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer repeated Napolitano’s claim, prompting a furious GCHQ to issue a rare denial
Spicer denies reports he apologized to Britain for repeating claim that its spies were used by Obama to get material on Trump
Spicer said he was just ‘passing on news reports’ when he used his press briefing to repeat a claim by Napolitano

[DrDude]

I think you are correct up to a certain point. I think Trump is reveling in the”No Evidence. Apologize to Obama. Trump must prove.” arguments. He has more and he is playing for all it is worth. He is good at this. Media is spininng something different everyday. Notice Obama has not been heard from. Either has Hillary. They know Trump can destroy them at any given time. Problem is the Libs in general are gumming up the works. It will take some time but Trump will win out. That is a win for all of us.

[moehoward]

“Interesting that Fox won’t back Napolitano, or maybe he just won’t reveal sources to them.”

Napolitano said “FOX news” (several times) when he reported on this story so this was ‘their’ story. On Friday, Special Report’s panel led with the Napolitano story, I fully expected to see the Judge on that panel but he wasn’t. That spoke volumes about the Judges future with FOX.

[mak5]

Nothing.

[Grampa Dave]

Notice the date when the UK Director of GCHQ which monitors Americans including Trump, us an you. Only 2 days after Trump dropped the bombshell that he was monitored!

News Jan 23, 2017 - Robert Hannigan, the director of GCHQ, has resigned from his job as ... his post for "personal reasons" and that he was not sacked or subject to ... Head of GCHQ spy agency resigns for family reasons | Reuters uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-gchq-idUKKBN15723S

Is there any doubt that the NY Slimes front page on 20 Jan 2017 helped Robert Hannigan, the director of GCHQ, to resign from his job!

The irony here is just too much. The NY Times accused President Bush of spying on Americans in 2003 and were proven wrong. Yet, in 2016, we may have President Obama doing exactly that and the evidence for it provided by the very same NY Times. In Jan 2017, their front page said:

[romanesq]

It is a rather desperate ploy for the UK’s NSA to point the finger and blame the Russians.

Amazing as well.

[nhbob1]

“...who handed over to the Russians 20% of our uranium production, some of which they’ve already transferred to their allies in Iran”

This begs the question....did Hillary/Obama know or could they have a reasonable expectation that Russia would sell the Uranium to their friends in Tehran? The deal was allowed to go through KNOWING there was a VERY GOOD chance that US Uranium would be supplied to Iran!!!! Someone with a suspicious mind might conjecture that the sale of Uranium to Russia was done with the INTENTION of it ultimately arriving in Iran. Was this deal done before or after Obama’s “I’ll have more flexibility after the election” statement? The fact that US Uranium is sitting in the warhead of an Iranian nuke aimed at either us or Israel is astounding...and outrageous,