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Federal Agents Recall Branch Davidian Shootout 24 Years Ago
NBC DFW ^ | 2/19

Posted on 02/19/2017 2:51:12 PM PST by nickcarraway

Nearly 24 years after the Branch Davidian standoff began near Waco, some federal agents are opening up about their experiences that resulted in the worst day in the history of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and ultimately the deaths of some 70 people inside the compound more than seven weeks later.

"I've decided I'm never going to forget, and I owe it to the guys who were killed to tell their story," ATF Agent Gary Orchowski told the Houston Chronicle in a story published Sunday.

Four agents were killed Feb. 28, 1993, when more than 130 ATF special agents and support staff from Houston, Dallas and New Orleans showed up to execute search warrants for illegal stockpiles of automatic weapons and explosives at the compound.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcdfw.com ...


TOPICS: History; Local News; Religion
KEYWORDS: branchdavidian; clintonlegacy; coverup; murder; photoops; waco
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To: editor-surveyor

Regardless, those kids were tough, any other kids would have fled. They weren’t going to be pacified with candy bars.


61 posted on 02/19/2017 4:55:56 PM PST by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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To: rustyboots

Yes, and that ck s#cker Charles Schumer prevented the NRA from having an independent analysis of the guns that were supposedly illegally converted to full auto. I believe I heard that those also subsequently disappeared as well.


62 posted on 02/19/2017 5:03:35 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Freedom Trumps Fascism)
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To: dila813

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What are you talking about?

The kids were from 1 year to 8 years old mostly.

They were all very young families.


63 posted on 02/19/2017 5:06:17 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: nickcarraway

Analysis of the film proved that the four agents who were killed wee killed by” friendly” fire. I believe they had all done service as Clinton bodyguards some time before the massacre.


64 posted on 02/19/2017 5:06:29 PM PST by arthurus
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To: gunnyg

Reno said to burn’em before the final assault.


65 posted on 02/19/2017 5:07:48 PM PST by arthurus
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To: sport

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They had very little money.

They also had very few guns.


66 posted on 02/19/2017 5:08:19 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Lloyd-right

Children were shot as they ran out of the flames.


67 posted on 02/19/2017 5:09:13 PM PST by arthurus
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To: editor-surveyor

http://www.carolmoore.net/waco/waco-victims.html


68 posted on 02/19/2017 5:10:57 PM PST by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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To: nickcarraway

You can blame the deaths on the idiot that gave the go-ahead after the mole reported back to the commander that they’d been found out. He essentially ordered his men into an ambush.


69 posted on 02/19/2017 5:16:34 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Get used to it - President Donald J. Trump)
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To: nickcarraway

1. The ATF guys on their way to the Branch Davidian comound GOT LOST.

2. They asked directions from a mailman, cuz, hey, that’s FEDERAL, right? ‘Cept the mailman was a DAVIDIAN, see..?

3. The ATF was up for budget review and this assault was supposed to be a big victory showing how amazing, essential and fund-worthy they were. So they brought along a TV crew. The “go” code for these cowboys —not making this up— was SHOW TIME.

4. They initiated the gunfight, then it lasted only as long as they had ammo. When the ATF ran out of ammo, that’s when the gun battle stopped. The out-of-ammo attackers were permitted to withdraw unmolested. Their view of the film crew suddenly changed dramatically, they didn’t like it anymore.

5. The FBI brought in armored personnel carriers and drove over the Davidians’ cars parked outside. Then they wantonly, needelessly and repeatedly drove over the graves of the Davidians who were killed in the initial shootout.

6. The FBI played recordings of dying rabbits over loudspeakers, shone lights in their windows all night, played scary records and the song, “these boots were made for walkin’” which contains the lyrics, “I’m gonna light a MATCH” (there was later a fire).

7. The first thing the FBI did after the fire subsided was to raise the flag of the ATF on the still smoking embers, Mt. Suribachi-style.

8. FLIR experts were scared stiff to review video of the final conflagration, which showed shooting into the burning compound. The one FLIR expert the defense finally found to testify was later killed under mysterious circumstances.

9. The Compound Front Door (whose bullet holes would show that most of the shooting was from outside in) went MISSING, mysteriously. It was “lost”.


70 posted on 02/19/2017 5:18:13 PM PST by gaijin
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To: dila813

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The only kids that were older than 8 were early teen girls.


71 posted on 02/19/2017 5:19:43 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: gaijin

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>> 9. The Compound Front Door (whose bullet holes would show that most of the shooting was from outside in) went MISSING, mysteriously. It was “lost”. <<

Just like the ceiling tiles from the room where Bobby Kennedy was shot.
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72 posted on 02/19/2017 5:23:25 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

ok


73 posted on 02/19/2017 5:24:32 PM PST by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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To: gaijin
...the song, “these boots were made for walkin’” which contains the lyrics, “I’m gonna light a MATCH”

Correctly, the lyrics were "I just found me a brand new box of matches (yeah) and what he knows you ain't had time to learn."

Can't really say if this was a foreshadowing of anything. I do, however, remember the sleep deprivation techniques.

74 posted on 02/19/2017 5:36:10 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Get used to it - President Donald J. Trump)
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To: gaijin

The stand-off would have a “carrot and stick” design, the commanders said.

Sounds great, right?

But the teams were seperate and grew from totally different dispositions: The Carrot Group were social scientist/psychologist types —academic clinicians who loved taking notes and talking.

Meanwhile The Stick Team were basically military soldiers brought on-scene because Posse Comitatus (permission of soldiers used in police actions) has a drug exception, and one of the federal lies about the Davidians besides gun-running, bank-robbery and child-molestation was that they were also engaged in the business of drug-dealing.

This is also how the ATF were permitted to undergo military training at Fort Hood beforehand:

The FBI commando team had pushed the media back so far that there was no civilian scrutiny. Soon a gun-heavy summer camp atmosphere prevailed; the bored commandos had full reign on-site to terrorize the beseiged at their leisure, Lon Horiuchi was even said to be sniping individual Davidians from time to time.

The FBI didn’t disguise it’s contempt for squinty, scribbling shrinks and the shrinks regarded the commandos as nazis —the two sides barely communicated.

This placed nicely into Koresh’s focus on the Book of Revelation, which describes evil forcus that act crazy and test the faith of True Belivers.

The FBI’s objective was to weaken Koresh and his believers but instead their strategy was the perfect force to instead strengthen them.

Almost 100 people died in the fire.

Would they have done this, had it been a MOSQUE..?


75 posted on 02/19/2017 5:37:34 PM PST by gaijin
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To: nickcarraway
and they STILL haven't found the front doors...
76 posted on 02/19/2017 5:47:11 PM PST by Chode (may the RATS all die of dehydration from crying)
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To: arthurus

Dead children tell no tales of the global pedophile network that involves the Bush/Clinton/Obama globalists.

Why else would you launch a violent raid to “save the children” and then make sure NONE of them get out alive?

My 2 Cents...


77 posted on 02/19/2017 5:57:51 PM PST by Lloyd-right (The triumvirate has risen! Gold, Silver & Bitcoin!)
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To: Lurker

The question isn’t who is John Galt. The question is where is Mack Bolan.


78 posted on 02/19/2017 5:58:37 PM PST by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: gaijin

10 minute YouTube analysis of the initial Waco shootout:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPspqauEeC4


79 posted on 02/19/2017 6:05:48 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Bob434
gets saved, kinda like getting a pass for murdering children
80 posted on 02/19/2017 6:30:25 PM PST by Chode (may the RATS all die of dehydration from crying)
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