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How dangerous is the EMF from cordless phones and routers for pets?
1/31/17 | Me, myself, & I

Posted on 01/31/2017 6:59:21 AM PST by EinNYC

I just got a new Panasonic cordless phone and initiated Verizon's Home Phone service, which allows you to get their wireless service but use it to power your (comfortable) cordless phone. For that, you need a doohickey called a MiFi router which you connect to the phone via a cable. My model of MiFi also allows me to add a cable for my fax machine and will run that, too.

I have been reading up on EMF radiation from cell phones and wireless devices and have some concern, because my Maine Coon Bijou likes to lay on her perch next to me, which is about 18" away from my cordless phone base and MiFI router, and about 3' from my cable modem/WiFi.

Do any FReepers have expertise in EMF or other electronic emissions, and could you tell me if there is a "safe" distance Bijou could be from these devices? As many of you know, I lost my beloved kitty Kefira back in March from bone marrow cancer, and I want to make sure that my wireless devices do not bring about such a horror for my present cherished kitties.

Thanks for any expert input.


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To: EinNYC

Not even a little bit. Ignore all that EMF hokum.


21 posted on 01/31/2017 7:40:43 AM PST by discostu (Alright you primative screwheads, listen up!)
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To: MrEdd

As you can see, cats really enjoy it.

22 posted on 01/31/2017 7:43:14 AM PST by freedomlover
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I gotta get me one of them.
It’s the only way to be sure.
/s


23 posted on 01/31/2017 7:48:57 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: EinNYC

How dangerous is the EMF from cordless phones and routers for pets?


Are you talking CAT5, CAT6, or CAT7?

Unless your cat in capable or receiving RF in between 900 MHz and 60 GHz, it is invisible to WiFi.


24 posted on 01/31/2017 7:50:18 AM PST by Flick Lives
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To: oh8eleven
"During WWII, and long afterward, science "experts" were surprised to discover all the damage done to those exposed to atomic bombs. That includes American GIs in the western deserts as well as those in Japan. Today's tecno-damage to humans may not be either immediate or obvious. While no one may be dropping dead today, perhaps future generations may experience untold suffering."

Apples and Oranges. Big difference between isotope radiation and electromagnetic radiation waves. EMR waves have been around as long as the 1940's when radio and TV have been broadcasted.

Here's your solution:
Build a Faraday cage around or in your home; build another for your vehicle; and most importantly build a Faraday suit for when you venture out of your safe place to guard against the Sun's EMR.

Oh, and shitcan all your electronics in your house. You might want to start with your computer first since it gives off EM waves. Good luck, and think about moving to the Antarctica. Oops, sorry, the Sun's EMR reaches there in the form of light. You could always build a EMR shelter a couple miles underground.

Just messing with ya...lol

25 posted on 01/31/2017 7:52:18 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: EinNYC

You ever see “The Fly” remake. It will turn every living organism inside out.

Oh. And not to worry. That big ball of light in the sky doesn’t put out any radiation at all..

Of course I am being facetious and resorting to hyperbole like a liberal. No harm at all.


26 posted on 01/31/2017 7:52:54 AM PST by Organic Panic (Rich White Man Evicts Poor Black Family From Public Housing - MSNBCPBSCNNNYTABC)
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To: Paladin2
"Microwave ovens can readily effect WiFi signals."

Never heard that one. I don't cook so use my microwave oven daily and it's never affected my wifi.

27 posted on 01/31/2017 7:56:38 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: BitWielder1

Does the inverse square rule apply here? So unless said cat was using the router as a butt warmer for years at a time, even less to worry about...?


28 posted on 01/31/2017 8:01:18 AM PST by mewzilla (I'll vote for the first guy who promises to mail in his SOTU addresses.)
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To: EinNYC

I’m an engineer, not a doctor, however, there is no known mechanism by which RF energy damages DNA - tissue heating is the only known provable effect, and that doesn’t hurt DNA.

RF exposure standards are based on tissue heating.

As an example, a wifi access point putting out 200mW at 1 ft is less than 1/10th the general public exposure standard.


29 posted on 01/31/2017 8:05:37 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Paladin2
It’s like putting the cat in the microwave...

Not even remotely funny. If you want to act like an a_____e, please go somewhere else.

30 posted on 01/31/2017 8:07:57 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: oh8eleven
Today's tecno-damage to humans may not be either immediate or obvious. While no one may be dropping dead today, perhaps future generations may experience untold suffering.

A lot of flip replies on this thread (and hey, I like to laugh too). But agree with you that this is a serious problem.

Before anyone lectures that ionizing radiation is different from microwave radiation: Yes, we know that. As far as I've seen on this thread, no one is making a direct comparison of those two kinds of radiation. The comparison is between the "expert" opinions on the potential adverse effects on human and animal health.

Another analogy may be to the "scientific" consensus on the effects of smoking. Smoking used to be very popular, almost universal. And the tobacco lobby was powerful. Lots of jobs were dependent on the continuation of the industry. So there was reluctance for many years for any official body to pronounce that smoking was, in fact, generally injurious to health.

We have a somewhat analogous situation today with the use of cell phones, wifi etc. Use of devices that depend on this technology are extremely popular, and there is of course a huge world-wide industry dependent on continued use of this technology.

But if and when the true dangers of this kind of radiation are exposed, we will see the mother-of-all product liability lawsuits. (Not advocating for this, just predicting it WILL happen.)

31 posted on 01/31/2017 8:15:21 AM PST by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: capt. norm
"That changed the tuning of the antenna-ground system and the swr (standing wave ratio) got so high that it locked up every computer in the building. Adjusting the tuning to match current parameters remedied the situation. In a bad swr situation it takes power that should go to the antenna and reflects it back into the transmitter and the building. None of us had any problems with it, but you could pick up the station on telephone (land lines) and a variety of small appliances."

Of course powerful EMR can have an affect on electronics and even human flesh in the form of microwave, x-ray, gamma ray, etc. The big scare of EMR is a high altitude atomic blast.

So, how do I stop my silver teeth fillings from picking up the local rap station? Or can I tune them to a classic rock channel? :) Thinking I could invent a Faraday jaw protector, but having a problem with talking when the mouth is open and the EMR kills my dangling uvula.

32 posted on 01/31/2017 8:15:28 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

>>>Put your cat in Schrödinger’s Faraday cage.<<<

That reminds me of a story...

Heisenberg and Schrödinger get pulled over for speeding.

The cop asks Heisenberg “Do you know how fast you were going?”

Heisenberg replies, “No, but we know exactly where we are!”

The officer looks at him confused and says “you were going 108 miles per hour!”

Heisenberg throws his arms up and cries, “Great! Now we’re lost!”

The officer looks over the car and asks Schrödinger if the two men have anything in the trunk.

“A cat,” Schrödinger replies.

The cop opens the trunk and yells “Hey! This cat is dead.”

Schrödinger angrily replies, “Well he is now.”


33 posted on 01/31/2017 8:15:36 AM PST by Malsua
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To: mewzilla
Does the inverse square rule apply here?

Yes.

34 posted on 01/31/2017 8:16:13 AM PST by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: Paladin2

Um, doesn’t tinfoil protect them? :)


35 posted on 01/31/2017 8:16:31 AM PST by Jhadur ("You will fall on one another like wolves.")
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To: RFEngineer
"As an example, a wifi access point putting out 200mW at 1 ft is less than 1/10th the general public exposure standard."

So if I installed a 100 wifi routers in my house, I could cut down my gas bill during winter? Do I have the math correct?

36 posted on 01/31/2017 8:25:13 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: shhrubbery!
The comparison is between the "expert" opinions on the potential adverse effects on human and animal health.
Bingo - thank you. Even in simplest terms, "experts" have told us for decades that salt, eggs, red meat, even sunshine are not good for us. Turns out to be mostly BS.
37 posted on 01/31/2017 8:29:33 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: A Navy Vet

I generally don’t recommend running gas-powered Wi-Fi


38 posted on 01/31/2017 8:30:01 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: EinNYC

My dog has been exposed to EMF for about 13 1/2 years. It didn’t effect him much when he was younger, but now he mostly just wants to lay on my bed all day.


39 posted on 01/31/2017 8:30:06 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Malsua

But we know the joke is fatally flawed in 2 ways.

Were going 108 and are going 108 are different.

Schrödinger has no sense of smell.


40 posted on 01/31/2017 8:30:45 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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