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5 Ways the Soviet Union Could Have Won the Cold War (Or at Least Survived It)
The National Interest ^ | December 24, 2016 | Tom Nichols

Posted on 12/24/2016 7:58:23 AM PST by Leaning Right

As we look back tomorrow at the 25th anniversary of the fall of the Soviet Union, an important question should be raised: could the USSR actually have won the Cold War?

Or maybe a better question: at least survived?

That was something we asked Professor Tom Nichols of the U.S. Naval War College and Harvard University back in 2014.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalinterest.org ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: coldwar; communists; cpua; reaganlegacy; sovietunion; ussr; worldwar3; worldwariii
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For those interested in the topic, this is a long and thoughtful article. Here are the 5 ways mentioned in the title:

1938: Stalin doesn’t kill all the smart Communists
1947: Truman loses his nerve
1976: Operation RED DAWN
1979: Lenin stays out of the jungles
1988: The China Syndrome

1 posted on 12/24/2016 7:58:23 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: Leaning Right

Easy. Jimmy Carter wins instead of Ronald Reagan.


2 posted on 12/24/2016 7:59:49 AM PST by Defiant (The media is the colostomy bag where truth goes after democrats digest it.)
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To: Leaning Right

Imo, the only hope Soviet Union had to exist intact for the long haul was to not be communist in the first place.

The entire ideology is contrary to human nature and has always failed because it is a concept that can not succeed.


3 posted on 12/24/2016 8:01:49 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Grimmy

The author of the article agrees with you. From the article:

“I don’t believe that Trotsky, or Kirov or Bukharin could have saved the Soviet Union, because the USSR was based on a lie at its very foundation. We can all be glad that history, and maybe a dash of divine providence, obviated any of the alternate paths here. But we had best think about them, because we once again face enemies overseas dedicated to the destruction of our ideas and values.”


4 posted on 12/24/2016 8:05:14 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Leaning Right

An interesting ‘what if’ would be FDR serving a full 4th term and perhaps Henry Wallace (a flaming Red) succeeding him.

This would have meant an extremrly pro-Soviet US foreign policy after WW2. Truman turned fully against Stalin in 1947... also thanks to men like George Kennan. FDR snd Wallace would have helped Stalin spread his red Empire in even more countries and barely contained him. Iran, Turkey, Greece, Italy and also France were quite at risk back then.


5 posted on 12/24/2016 8:05:54 AM PST by SolidWood
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To: Leaning Right; colorado tanker; Hebrews 11:6
1938: Stalin doesn’t kill all the smart Communists.

Stopped reading right there. This premise violates "henkster's Law of Alternate History." Henkster's Law states that an alternate history is not valid if it requires people or nations to act substantially out of character. In this scenario, it requires Stalin to not be Stalin. Therefore, it isn't valid.

6 posted on 12/24/2016 8:06:02 AM PST by henkster
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To: Leaning Right

Who’s to say they didn’t? After all, they symbolically voted themselves out of existence in 1991, which isn’t the same as being conquered and communism extirpated. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is still the second-largest political party in Russia after United Russia; there are other far-left parties in the Duma such as “A Just Russia” (social democrats, as the precursor to the CPSU was under Lenin) and “Communists of Russia”.

Never mind the radical changes that have happened right here in the USA, all due to politicians filled with doctrine straight out of the USSR’s Kremlin.


7 posted on 12/24/2016 8:08:31 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: henkster

There are no smart Communists.


8 posted on 12/24/2016 8:08:54 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Leaning Right

They would have survived if we had not stopped subsidizing them.


9 posted on 12/24/2016 8:09:40 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: Leaning Right
once again face enemies overseas dedicated to the destruction of our ideas and values. They are not as dangerous as the old Soviet Union, but they are just as committed to our destruction. Fortunately for us, we've faced worse—and prevailed.

I think the more interesting question was whether the American Republic could survive winning the cold war. Under Clinton/Bush/Obama, we nearly didn't and another Clinton administration would have ended it.

The path down-hill started with Clinton and Algores "Reinventing Government" which was the start of the effort to privatize government operations - and the bottm feeders showed up in D.C. pretty quickly to try to buy off pieces at 3 cents on the dollar. BushII/Cheney just continued that trend with our "private" war in the Middle East and DHS and all of its contractors. The result - a swath of highrises around the D.C. Beltway to house the corrupt cronies when they are not at home in their McClean VA and Potomac MD mansions.

Now we are on a path to recovery. But we have to DTS. Countries always rot from the inside out. We were in a race to the bottom with the Soviet Union. They augered in first.

10 posted on 12/24/2016 8:10:51 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Leaning Right

Can’t disagree with the author on that.

Which is why I get so mudder frickin’ exasperated at normies who can’t pull their heads out of their own tail-pipes long enough to see the mortal danger to themselves and all they hold dear that is growing up all around them.


11 posted on 12/24/2016 8:12:23 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Olog-hai
The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is still the second-largest political party in Russia after United Russia;

LOL. That's because the Russian government auctioned off the name to a small obscure party, which then became a big party because of the name.

12 posted on 12/24/2016 8:12:37 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: henkster

A somewhat more plausible variation would be Stalin killed/toppled in a Coup before WW2.


13 posted on 12/24/2016 8:12:55 AM PST by SolidWood
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To: Grimmy
>>Imo, the only hope Soviet Union had to exist intact for the long haul was to not be communist in the first place.

Funny thing is there are corporate collectives in the USA today, including the 2nd largest (employee "owned") bank in Colorado, that essentially operate under Jesuit/Marxist doctrine.

The easiest way for Soviet Union to survive?

Simple:

Don't get sucked into the delusional arms race for the benefit of the enterprise General/President Eisenhower tried to warn Americans about:

Eisenhower's "Military-Industrial Complex" Speech

Origins and Significance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg-jvHynP9Y

14 posted on 12/24/2016 8:15:39 AM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: Leaning Right

Not have started it...


15 posted on 12/24/2016 8:15:49 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: henkster

It’s comforting that we can rely on you to enforce your very sensible and important Law. You’re our Consistency Sheriff.


16 posted on 12/24/2016 8:15:59 AM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: SeeSharp

Doesn’t mean they aren’t there. Are they only pretending to be Marxist-Leninist, then? Yeltsin’s ban should have meant no new iteration of any communist party, but he specifically banned only the CPSU; this resurgence of former CPSU fellow travelers under a new name helped send Boris packing too, eventually.


17 posted on 12/24/2016 8:17:09 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Leaning Right

It’s really an exercise in mental masturbation. Liberals like to do it with their wet dream scenarios like the erstwhile “West Wing,” “Madam Secretary,” that short one with Sigourney Weaver, and all the other liberal trash shows.

Until somebody invents a time machine and can go back and really do something about ‘history,’ it is IMMUTABLE. Diversions otherwise are pointless.


18 posted on 12/24/2016 8:30:23 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Defiant

6 Dead Red Ted Kennedy’s collusion with the Soviets is successful in defeating Ronald Reagan’s re-election in 1984.


19 posted on 12/24/2016 8:33:02 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The COM-Left is saddened by the death of the Communist dictator Fidel Castro. No surprise there.)
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To: Gaffer

Liberals in the US and UK STILL think that Reagan and Thatcher are going to kill us all with a missile attack on Mother Russia.


20 posted on 12/24/2016 8:34:02 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The COM-Left is saddened by the death of the Communist dictator Fidel Castro. No surprise there.)
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