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Sen. McCain on the A-10: "... don't insult my intelligence!" (McCain being a boss)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_up7IHd3LDs ^ | May 2014

Posted on 12/22/2016 11:25:10 AM PST by StormPrepper

Check the video at this link. John McCain earning his pay at the hearings for phasing out the A-10.

"The B1 Bomber will now be used for close air support? This is why we can't take you seriously..."

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: 114th; a10; aerospace; cas; defensespending; mccain
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To: Louis Foxwell

Well could be or not. That’s all speculation.

There is however, solid evidence he lied when he said let through that he volunteered to turn down an offer of freedom. The evidence comes from Admiral Stockdale’s own book that as CO of the Hanoi Hilton he gave the order to every POW that no one was to leave unless they all did.

So McCain was just following orders but instead he let the lie be created that he was some kind of hero.

As for his heroism, I reviewed each of his commendations, ribbons, medals and not one of them detailed what heroic acts he made in the line of duty other than to get shot down. And such a description is required by military manuals. I linked to the manuals, pages and paragraphs and they were not follwed. I then examined other heros in the Hanoi Hilton and their acts were indeed detailed.

As I wrote last summer, there were wounded men rotting away in the jungles that had given far more than McCain ever did. Yet they received not even one-tenth of the commendations that McCain received.

McCain was the grandson and son of Admirals. He was an ‘Admiral’s boy’ and earned for his 19 hours of combat duty about one medal per hour with no heroism ever described.

He merely did his duty and survived as a POW. He was no hero.

Then when he came home to his loyal steadfast wife who had been stressed out for years over his imprisonment, he dumped her because she had gained a little weight and he married a younger wealthier woman and proceeded to use her Arizona connections and money to run for Goldwater’s Senate Seat.

He is a despicable human being through and through.

Because all of us are now living in an ‘Age of Awareness’, an ‘Age of Connectivity’, with social media and an ability to cross-connect and bypass the national news media, we saw through McCain immediately after he attacked Donald Trump in the summer of 2015. I did my homework and was sickened to see what I found on McCain, and I happened to be trained as a very unbiased objective researcher.

In fact, last summer when I did research on Donald Trump, I went in thinking he was a no-good lying scumbag but came up finding he was the exact opposite. It shocked the hell out of me to find that Donald Trump is one of the kindest men on the planet with an even bigger heart. It really shocked me.


61 posted on 12/22/2016 2:37:58 PM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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To: blueunicorn6

——Close Air Support from 30,000 feet is possible these days.-——

Maybe, but if I have a heavy MG position 75 feet from me, I prefer CAS that can get an eyes on after I pop smoke and myself not get hit by the resulting shytstorm.


62 posted on 12/22/2016 2:41:56 PM PST by redcatcherb412
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To: Hostage

His getting tortured is debatable.


63 posted on 12/22/2016 2:44:05 PM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: Duchess47

I agree that it is debatable but it is in the arena of speculation whereas the evidence I found about NcCain’s true character is irrefutable.

Donald also had character flaws but being a liar was never one of them.

McCain is a liar. I can’t stand liars.


64 posted on 12/22/2016 2:58:16 PM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Hostage

I have nothing good to say about McCain’s true character.

I don’t have any facts or proof but spent enough time in the early 70’s with my husband sitting in the O Clubs at Ramstein AFB and the Monterey Naval Base listening to stories about him to develop an opinion.

My opinion is that he is a complete traitor, a Manchurian Candidate, who lived well as a POW.


65 posted on 12/22/2016 3:06:20 PM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: StormPrepper

Depends on the definition of “close” but the Bones & Buffs did fine during the early Taliban campaign in Afghanistan.


66 posted on 12/22/2016 3:14:30 PM PST by Tallguy
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To: D Rider

yeah, that’s what I meant


67 posted on 12/22/2016 3:16:21 PM PST by Mr. K ( Trump kicked her ass 2-to-1 if you remove all the voter fraud.)
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To: Mr. K

We’re on the same page.


68 posted on 12/22/2016 3:23:15 PM PST by D Rider
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To: redcatcherb412
Maybe, but if I have a heavy MG position 75 feet from me, I prefer CAS that can get an eyes on after I pop smoke and myself not get hit by the resulting shytstorm.

If that MG position is truly 75 FEET from your position, I think I would trust a dedicated weapons system operator looking at a magnified video or IR view of the target and lasing the exact spot until a 500 lb bomb turns it into a smoking hole, than I would a pilot with Mark I eyeballs trying to unload 30mm rounds while also avoiding controlled flight into terrain.

Or more realistically, you call in an Army AH-64 Apache who will expend a laser guided Hellfire.

69 posted on 12/22/2016 3:26:52 PM PST by Yo-Yo ( Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Rokke

What you miss in your cloistered view is that ground combat is the focus of effort in war: the air fight is a supporting arm. The young people in the ground fight need air support, surgically applied, to overcome enemy strongpoints, assembly areas, routes of reinforcement and retreat. It isn’t the same as airfield defense and nowhere as simple.

The Air Force has stubbornly resisted the “air-delivered artillery” perspective for more than three quarters of a century, insisting that “battlefield interdiction” is the proper use of air power - there is even an excellent color film that was put out in 1944 that described that tactic in lieu of close air support in the Italian theater.

Those of us on the ground know how effective a good air strike can be and how many of our lives will be at risk without that magnificent asset. I very likely owe my life and many of the lives around me to a low-flying F-4 with a load of Snake and Nape with a crew with brass balls. He was flying very low Indeed and he did not miss.

Merely guiding a munition to a given grid doesn’t do enough. Close Air requires knowing who you are supporting, what you are engaging, and that you can react very, very quickly - including munition flight time to the target and the configuration of the target array. Close Air Support makes the aircraft and crew an integral part of the ground combat element, not just a visiting bomb delivery system.


70 posted on 12/22/2016 4:41:38 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Mr Rogers
Increased weapon precision is wonderful - but it is not everything. Having the appropriate effects for a particular target, time of flight (the time a weapon takes from leaving the pylon to impact on the target), and precise coordination with the supported unit are also important.

The most effective CAS is when the pilots have trained with the supported unit, know their supported commanders well, and have good training in target recognition as well as orienting their approach to be parallel to the friendly front lines where possible.

All of the wonderful technologies are excellent - but no substitute for knowing your "customer" and their needs in the close fight.

71 posted on 12/22/2016 6:26:14 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

Precise coordination is now available via data-link. CAS remains something driven by the GROUND commander.

Nothing beats hits on target, too - which is easier when you are not at 100’ trying to avoid hitting the ground AND still hitting the target.

I’m an A-10 fan, but they’ve made mistakes too.


72 posted on 12/22/2016 6:39:27 PM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of infants, ruled by their emotion)
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To: NCDragon
The YouTube video is from 2014, not from the most recent Congressional hearings on the A-10. :)

So?
73 posted on 12/22/2016 9:40:00 PM PST by StormPrepper
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To: Chainmail
All three services that employ fixed wing CAS assets use similar platforms to execute CAS. Almost all ordnance expended in a modern CAS mission is precision guided. The difference between an F-18 and a B-1 employing precision guided munitions in a CAS environment is the B-1 can loiter about 8 times as long and carry about 10 times the amount of ordnance. Want to know how A-10s employ precision guided munitions in the CAS environment? Just like the F-18 and B-1. So give up the tired interservice rivalry rhetoric. There is only one Joint Tactics manual for all the services for executing CAS. I guess they have all ignored your 1970's vintage expertise. But they aren't unique. Of all the world's military powers who make or buy ground attack aircraft, exactly none are procuring anything similar to the A-10. Why do you think that is? Could it be that the rest of the world has moved beyond Snake and Nape? Maybe you believe that modern technology has completely changed every aspect of human interaction...except on the battle field. Fortunately, you aren't in charge. The Marine Corps chose the F-35B to replace all of its current combat aircraft. As you know, a MAGTF is an independent fighting force that provides its own CAS. Again, why didn't they seek out a platform similar to the A-10? Is it possible they know something you don't?

Pat yourself on the back for your service as a FAC. That's badass. But like McCain, your expertise ran out of currency a couple decades ago. It's a new world out there and it has obviously passed you by.

74 posted on 12/22/2016 10:10:05 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Rokke
"Pat yourself on the back for your service as a FAC. That's badass. But like McCain, your expertise ran out of currency a couple decades ago. It's a new world out there and it has obviously passed you by."

Proud of yourself? You have no idea what my combat history or my subsequent contributions to combined arms have been, but you feel free to throw a gratuitous slap my way for being an older veteran. Well done. How much difference between you and the average young and snotty Hillary voter?

Now a little reality; "loitering" over the battlefield for 8 hours in a bomb truck is only possible in an entirely permissive environment. The real world rarely has situations like in Afghanistan where we can fly at medium and high altitude doing donuts, sipping coffee. We get involved with a serious enemy with serious anti-air systems and there will be scattered B1B parts over several acres. Waiting around for S-300P or an S-400 to find you has limited long-term career potential. At least when you're down low in the clutter, the big boys have a harder time finding you, the munitions reach the target faster, and the ground guys can see your smiling face.

The Marine Corps picked the F-35B as we always do to try to satisfy multiple requirements and to maximize interoperability. Can't say at this point that it was the best decision; we'll see. We never picked the A-10 because we didn't envision taking on the Warsaw Pact tanks en masse and the 'Hog wasn't really suited to carrier operations.

I am a big believer in technologies - I have developed several new systems myself (I am a Program Manager for advanced weapon systems) - but I also know that we can't entirely rely on technologies in battle because systems fail, usually at the worst time possible. When they fail, we need the ability to continue the mission manually with the Mark One eyeball, down low in the grass if the ground guys need it.

Right, Kid?

75 posted on 12/23/2016 3:41:32 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: StormPrepper

Follow the money.


76 posted on 12/23/2016 3:45:01 AM PST by McGruff
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To: Mr Rogers
"I’m an A-10 fan, but they’ve made mistakes too."

They have indeed: when I had an artillery battalion, I had a truck in my motor pool that looked like a colander with small shrapnel holes. It was hit by a "friendly" A-10 that didn't know what our stuff looked like.

Another important reason for our flying comrades to spend more time with the ground-gaining folks to learn how we do our job and how to best support it.

77 posted on 12/23/2016 3:49:56 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail
Honestly, the Air Force would use Minuteman IIIs as "CAS" if they could get away with it.

Now that's funny, right there--if it weren't so damned true.

78 posted on 12/23/2016 3:52:08 AM PST by antidisestablishment ( We few, we happy few, we basket of deplorables)
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To: Rokke
He’s a clueless geezer. The B-1 has been flying CAS for decades.

You must have another definition of CAS....

79 posted on 12/23/2016 4:39:09 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Pelham
the Warthog is the best close air support weapon ever created.

Used to be a Warthog in the Air Force Museum in Dayton, OH. The Warthog is actually fairly small with one big bad ass machine gun on the front. The museum is a wonderful way to spend a day if you get the chance. It is literally a walk through aviation history.

80 posted on 12/23/2016 4:58:04 AM PST by IamConservative (Hillary walks while 100's of teens get prosecuted for mishandling Miley Cyrus MP3's..)
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