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Germany’s He 177 Bomber Was a Big Mistake
War is Boring ^ | December 21, 2016 | Robert Beckhusen

Posted on 12/21/2016 6:59:45 AM PST by C19fan

Put yourself in the shoes of a German pilot during World War II. It’d be more than just a bit concerning if your assignment was to fly the “Flaming Coffin,” a.k.a. the “One Way Bomber” or “Volcano.” But the hot, flammable He 177 Greif, or Griffin, was Nazi Germany’s only long-range heavy bomber produced in appreciable numbers. The 35-ton machine — when fully loaded — was a mistake, and more importantly, contributed to the German defeat by sucking up valuable resources into an ineffective and compromised aircraft.

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: aerospace; airplanes; luftwaffe; war
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The Luftwaffe had this weird obsession of requiring planes to dive bomb. The Ju-88 was another plane with dive bombing capability with much more success than the HE 177. Hitler initially wanted the ME-262 jet to drop bombs delaying that program.
1 posted on 12/21/2016 6:59:45 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Great. Now you tell us. (from the German side)


2 posted on 12/21/2016 7:07:29 AM PST by SkyDancer (Abition Without Talent Is Sad, Talent Without Ambition Is Worse)
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To: C19fan
Another long-range pipe dream; the ME 264 "Amerika Bomber."

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3 posted on 12/21/2016 7:11:10 AM PST by PeteePie (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: C19fan

I believe that in the Battle of Britain, HE-177’s suffered a loss rate of about 12.5%. Every mission for the Luftwaffe was like the Schweinfurt Raid.


4 posted on 12/21/2016 7:11:47 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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To: C19fan

Hitler was the one who insisted on that.

People often forget that he was ‘t just evil — he was stupid too.


5 posted on 12/21/2016 7:11:59 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: C19fan

Try to understand the frustration that the German high command was experiencing. Their cities and industrial base was being systematically destroyed by long range American and British strategic bombing. They had very limited means to retaliate against Britain and virtually no means to strike America. Frustration often leads to irrational behavior and policy. Always wondered why the Germans didn’t develop a small explosive rocket to be launched from fighters with a proximity fuse to be fired into the lumbering tight bomber formations


6 posted on 12/21/2016 7:12:10 AM PST by allendale
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To: C19fan
Gotta love that last sentence: Over-investing resources in a bad design can help destroy your air force.
7 posted on 12/21/2016 7:14:05 AM PST by NonValueAdded (#DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #MyPresident #MAGA)
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To: C19fan

I always thought that if Hitler were able to build large, long range bombers he could have won the war.

Of course there are all sorts of would have, should have. And when written the ways I just wrote it, it makes it sound like we are sad that he didn’t do these things.

That is not the case.

But it makes you wonder what tools are being made today that are going to fall into that age old problem of planning to fight the last war.

Personally, I think building jet fighters is going to soon be a waste of time. For the price of one jet, you could probably build a slew of unmanned aircraft that could swarm the air, and overwhelm the enemy.

But what do I know....


8 posted on 12/21/2016 7:14:28 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Brace. Brace. Brace. Heads down. Do not look up.)
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To: C19fan

This bomber operated on the Bf109 engines? Weren’t those fighters?


9 posted on 12/21/2016 7:14:36 AM PST by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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For various reasons the Germans never got into strategic bombing like the Allies. The German focus was more on tactical instead of strategic bombing, detonation instead of incendiary bombs, precision dive instead of carpet bombing, producing mostly light fighters instead of heavy bombers.


10 posted on 12/21/2016 7:19:18 AM PST by SolidWood
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To: NohSpinZone; C19fan

The famed Merlin engine powered the Spitfire, Hurricane, P-51, Mosquito, and the Lancaster bomber. Wright and Pratt-Whitney engines, of the same types, were used in both fighters and bombers by the US in WWII.

and the Merlin engine was selected to replace the Daimler-Benz engine in the Spanish Air Forces versions of the ME-109 and the Heinkel 111 bomber.


11 posted on 12/21/2016 7:20:31 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: C19fan

Germany had a jet prototype in the 30’s and Hitler thought it was a waste of resources.


12 posted on 12/21/2016 7:20:46 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
"I believe that in the Battle of Britain, HE-177’s suffered a loss rate of about 12.5%"

The He-177 didn't enter service until 1942. The German bomber during the Battle of Britain was the He-111:

A much smaller aircraft, with only two engines.

13 posted on 12/21/2016 7:23:40 AM PST by PLMerite (Lord, let me die fighting lions. Amen.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Those were HE 111’s


14 posted on 12/21/2016 7:27:08 AM PST by BobinIL
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To: allendale

The Germans did develop and use various air to air unguided rockets, some of the late ones were quite successful and the idea of unguided air to air rockets was copied by several countries in the 1950s.
Look up Werf-Granate 21 and R4M.


15 posted on 12/21/2016 7:29:00 AM PST by buwaya
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To: Vermont Lt

He would have won if..

He left the Russians alone.

ME262 is a fighter not a bomber - B17s & B24s had no chance

Finish off RAF before bombing London


16 posted on 12/21/2016 7:29:25 AM PST by Jimmy The Snake
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To: NohSpinZone

BF109 or ME109 (same thing) was a single engine fighter and a good one. Using four of the engines to make a bomber makes sense.


17 posted on 12/21/2016 7:31:17 AM PST by Jimmy The Snake
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To: Jimmy The Snake

Develop the jet aircraft earlier.
Bombing the radar stations in Britain
Focus on one country at a time.


18 posted on 12/21/2016 7:34:11 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: allendale

One of the early leaders of the Luftwaffe Walther Weaver wanted a strategic bomber, dubbed the Ural bomber. But he died in a plane crash and his replacements were more interested in tactical bombers for the CAS role.


19 posted on 12/21/2016 7:36:42 AM PST by C19fan
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The He-177's major flaw was four engines coupled into two nacelles. This was not corrected until the He-177B:

Which appeared too late in the war, after the need for a strategic bomber had passed.

20 posted on 12/21/2016 7:37:37 AM PST by PLMerite (Lord, let me die fighting lions. Amen.)
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