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An open letter to men, who can help female runners feel safe
NT News ^ | December 6, 2016 | Carolyn Tate

Posted on 12/06/2016 11:08:19 AM PST by conservative98

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To: AndyTheBear
Author Margaret Atwood said...

Seriously?

How about I quote a fundamentalist imam regarding women?

141 posted on 12/06/2016 1:28:20 PM PST by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: papertyger
Seriously?

What is your point of disagreement and how do fundamentalist imams figure into it?

142 posted on 12/06/2016 1:34:05 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

“If you are a male, especially a larger, stronger one, then you need to be aware that people have a reasonable fear of you in places like jogging trails, alleys, parking lots, etc., especially at night and especially when there aren’t a lot of people around.”

Now that I am old and don’t scare anyone any more, I notice a difference in the way people treat me.


143 posted on 12/06/2016 1:34:21 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: conservative98

Equality; it sounds good, and looks good on paper, but then there’s this thing called reality.


144 posted on 12/06/2016 1:47:55 PM PST by semaj (Audentes fortuna juvat: Fortune favors the bold. Be Bold FRiends.)
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To: papertyger
"The world is a much more dangerous for all of us, thanks to the lack of regard for others prevalent in recent years…"
Particularly for those who presume it is "society's" job to defend them.

NEWSFLASH! Law enforcement was not developed to make people safe. It was developed to preempt every yahoo from exacting retribution for perceived offenses, making civilization untenable.

SOME writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil . . . For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform and irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver. - Thomas Paine, Common Sense (1776)


145 posted on 12/06/2016 1:50:28 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: AndyTheBear

Quoting Margaret Atwood as a sagacious source on “women’s issues” is precisely equivalent, but opposite, of using an imam for the same purpose.


146 posted on 12/06/2016 1:56:03 PM PST by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: jsanders2001
My advice after reading all that - find another place to jog...: )

I've scanned 145 posts on this thread. Best post, IMO

147 posted on 12/06/2016 1:57:45 PM PST by EVO X
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To: Garth Tater
I hope women can find it in themselves to be sweet and smile now and then, lol.
148 posted on 12/06/2016 2:02:01 PM PST by donna (I want to live in a Judeo/Christian country where we know that, before God, men & women are equal.)
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To: papertyger

People like that think it is up to society to take care of their every need-a lack of personal responsibility like that doesn’t bode well for a productive-or very long-life...

The snowflakes who think they are somehow owed protection would not last long here-there is no way deputies would be patrolling trails in the woods keeping hikers from all hazards-there are a lot of miles out here-and very few people-if you call 911 from your own property it could be an hour before a deputy-or an ambulance-gets to your home-never mind a trail off any road in the woods-if you don’t know how to help/defend yourself from animal or human predators, you are pretty much screwed...


149 posted on 12/06/2016 2:09:21 PM PST by Texan5 (`"You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to drive a hard line"...)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

That also goes far toward explaining why snowflakes can’t get hired by anyone but government-most of society isn’t interested in babysitting adults...


150 posted on 12/06/2016 2:16:00 PM PST by Texan5 (`"You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to drive a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5

Amen.

If there’s one thing I can’t stomach, it’s “ala-carte” equality....


151 posted on 12/06/2016 2:25:54 PM PST by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: papertyger

Ah, ok. Thought you were disagreeing with my point rather than the authors...


152 posted on 12/06/2016 2:46:28 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: AndyTheBear

Not at all. Quoting Margaret Atwood shows a total lack of respect/regard for those not in lock step with the one quoting her.

It’s like using the Southern Poverty Law Center as a “source.”


153 posted on 12/06/2016 2:53:50 PM PST by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: papertyger

The way I see it, I’m only an equal as long as I’m willing to be treated as one 24/7-if I were inclined to play the woman card when I wanted to demand special treatment-then I’m not really an equal at all...

What passes for feminism today has made a lot of men less than desirable to women like myself, as well-all/most of the “real” men are taken-what is left is guys who want an obedient domestic servant, or metrosexual types that want you to use your income to support them while they stay home and enrich their minds-or something-neither type is acceptable to a female who has been treated as an equal by a husband already...


154 posted on 12/06/2016 3:05:54 PM PST by Texan5 (`"You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to drive a hard line"...)
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To: conservative98

Yes, by all means, let’s rescind reality.


155 posted on 12/06/2016 4:51:56 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Texan5

The Chest Beaters seem to assume that anyone holding a gun is automatically Matt Dillon.


156 posted on 12/06/2016 7:14:11 PM PST by arrogantsob (=)
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To: conservative98

Women should try to limit solo running. I feel more comfortable running with another person, plus you can talk and the miles go by faster :) I do short training runs alone in my suburban neighborhood, but I stay close to home.


157 posted on 12/06/2016 8:06:59 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: conservative98

Wow that was a strong finish. Just join a fitness club.


158 posted on 12/06/2016 8:58:20 PM PST by cornfedcowboy
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To: conservative98

Basically a good article even though I don’t agree with some of it, and a few comments were pretty much over the top. Probably sexist too.

But a couple of things a woman can do...

Already mentioned repeatedly, leave the headphones at home. If I’m in a position I think I may be in danger, the last thing I want is something over my ears to cover the sound of approaching feet.

Get a pistol and learn to use it. Be sure you know WHEN you can use it in your area.

I’ve seen older men walking with a big stick or cane for protection.

Learn some self defense. A couple of things you can remember that will help a lot -

If an attacker approaches from the front:

Let him come on in, you want him close. Soon as he gets close enough raise that knee, hard as you can. He’ll forget about rape in a big hurry.

If someone grabs you from behind:

don’t panic. Raise your foot, feel around for his shin and stomp straight down HARD...I guarantee when you break the arch of the foot he’ll let go and forget about rape. Even if you don’t break it, ever drop a book on the arch of your foot? It hurts a lot...he’ll let go.

If he has a weapon - Depends on the situation and the weapon. If you have a little training, and can move fast, you can move to the side, grab the wrist, and push against the elbow. It’s not hard to break an arm that way, and by moving to the side, you should be out of the way if a gunshot does occur. If it’s a knife or some type of club, same thing, but less dangerous. But be sure and be forceful about it, and pull the arm around behind him. Keep pressure on the elbow, he’ll do anything you want. Pull the wrist, push the elbow. Try it on a friend, but be careful, it hurts.

Scream. Make enough noise and he might just leave, usually they do not want to attract attention. Attract as much as you can.

A good hard kick to the knee from the front or side can break the knee.

There are a couple of good kill punches but I always avoid telling people about them, I don’t want the wrong person to find out just how to land a kill shot. Boatloads of gang members and thug types would love to know how to drop an adversary with one punch and he’s dead before he hits the ground...so I try not to go there.

Get some good self defense training if you want to run in a risky area. Run with a friend. Leave the headphones at home. Take a gun or club. Pepper spray might be good too, an open fanny pack makes it easily accessible. You can make your own pepper spray with vinegar and cayenne, put it in a squirt bottle. Aim for the eyes.

The last thing they want is someone who is ready to fight back. Learn how to fight back.


159 posted on 12/06/2016 11:10:25 PM PST by Paleo Pete (When the sun comes up, nitrogen turns into daytrogen.)
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To: trisham

Enjoy your pooches! All 3!


160 posted on 12/06/2016 11:51:22 PM PST by Yaelle
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