Posted on 11/06/2016 11:11:39 AM PST by PROCON
On April 11, 1986 eight FBI agents engaged in a lead slinging war with two criminals, and despite outnumbering the crooks by four-to-one, ended up losing two of their own in a debacle that changed both tactics and the choices of firearms for law enforcement as a whole.
Michael Platt and William Matix were no good, despite not having a criminal record before they began their crime spree that ended their careers and lives. The two met while serving in Fort Campbell, Kentucky, Matix having been a former Marine before enlisting in the Army. Platt was a Ranger. Strangely enough, the wives of both men died under strange circumstances, but neither was ever charged with any crime. The two men began their crime wave by murdering twenty five year old Emelio Briel while he was target shooting on October 5, 1985, and stealing his car.
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All this talk of pistols and “will it work” make me glad I carry my SBR 5.45 in my car.
Just thinking the Exact Same Thing .
J.Edgar is spinning in his Grave.
The bad guys that day were not your average street thug, criminals.
One of the FBI agents was very near sighted and lost his glasses. If I remember correctly the FBI did not have their shotguns and ammo secured within their vehicles but just sitting on the seat, so they had to scramble around and look for their stuff after the car chase was over.
True words
This is just a detail, but I hope they mean "five pellets of 00 buck" hit Platt in both feet but he stayed on his feet.
I had KTLA on cable when I lived in New Mexico before I moved to Arkansas. I heard that exchange between the lib and the host on the TV show.
>> Never mind the fact that no law enforcement agency or military branch uses a revolver anymore <<
Was talking the other day to a deputy who carries a Glock, both on-duty and off-duty.
But he said he keeps a 357 on the stand beside his bed, because he wouldn’t want to fumble with his Glock during the darkness of night.
Also said he thinks a 357 makes perfect sense for a guy like me, who doesn’t carry regularly and who seldom gets down to the range for practice.
I’m a revolver fan for the “fumble “
Factor,
I might add that also consider no
“Clicks,slides or button” noises
that might alert an intruder! !
Go stealthily into That goodnight.
By the way,
Ruger Match Champion.
Best bang for the Buck !
Yep, and then they tried to write up the supervisor that made that decision. The LAPD finally had to back down due to public sentiment.
CC
Until fairly recently the French Gendarmerie carried Manurhin MR 73 .357 revolvers. Accurate, stout and beautiful. Some have shot 200,000 rounds without appreciable wear (other than finish).
CC
Looks like Soul’s character scumbag Platt is firing bursts with the Mini 14, but it was semi-auto.
Until fairly recently the French Gendarmerie carried Manurhin MR 73 .357 revolvers. Accurate, stout and beautiful. Some have shot 200,000 rounds without appreciable wear (other than finish).
CC
I saw one of those French revolvers around 20 years ago. It may have been the most beautifully made gun I have ever seen.
I don’t recall the maker but it was probably the same.
They’re being imported as surplus, but they’re not cheap. Classic firearms and AIM surplus are the companies importing them.
CC
I once owned a Korth.
I saw it in a pawn shop in Panama City Beach. To my surprise it was priced at only $250. At the time I was in grad school and just about totally broke. I could not buy it but did manage to trade an Ingram Mac 10 or some model for it.
The Ingram was a terrible pistol. It was reliable but huge and awkward to hold. Someone had replaced the factory grips on the Korth with Pachmyers which did not quite fit right. Close but not right.
I needed money and took it to gun shows. I was willing to sell it for far under it’s value but every single dealer would look it up in their blue book and snap a “not interested” even when I offered to take $500 for it. I finally sold it to a non dealer for $400.
If I taken the time to list it in Shotgun news etc., I would have made a killing but I needed the money right then.
I still can’t get over those idiot dealers who were so afraid of taking any chance at all.
well... it took me about 1000 rounds to get there....
and I was pretty bad for the first 450...
but one of those babies to the golden triangle at under fifty yards... and I am convinced the bad guy is going down NOW... not three steps further.
and there are lots of folks here who are FAR better than I am.
just wait, several will show up soon enough.
the key is what can I complete successfully when the bad guys are at 15 feet and closing?
I need to keep training and practicing.
There are some out there that only know American guns. Americans make good guns. But so do some other people. I am a gun enthusiast, but on a tight budget. Of the guns I own, 2 are Russian, 2 are Brazilian and 1 is Italian. The Italian I just bought, a Uberti cattleman 1873. I would love to have a Colt SAA, but rumor has it that Uberti makes parts for Colt anyway. So why pay for a name?
CC
‘the key is what can I complete successfully when the bad guys are at 15 feet and closing?’
well....it requires a little more than just cc license to carry that one out.....
FAL -— full auto lives 1]]]
Dr. French Anderson, of medical doctor to World Olympics fame, (and healing through stem cells) was fascinated by the perps’ inability to quit. He wrote a 160 page book on the shooting, of which I have about 60 copies. In it, my work on the case got mentioned. :)
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