Posted on 10/30/2016 10:32:20 AM PDT by samadams2000
Lets play this out.
Going to jail would just make them visible martyrs.
Bill and Hill are not afraid of jail as much as they are afraid of anonymity and irrelevance.
All the money from ‘bad actors’ that went to them will be looking for the expected payoff of influence and contracts. Bill and Hill may find out just how ‘Bad’ these ‘Actors’ can really be. Their SS detail will need to be reinforced.
A Trump Justice Dept. will have bigger fish to fry then dealing with these losers. The best punishment for them will be to sink into oblivion and watch what they’ve worked for disappear.
Obama cannot pardon her until she is convicted of a crime, and it that happens, it will be after Obama is out of office. Either she will have to pardon herself, or Trump will have to pardon her; and Trump thinks she should be “locked up.”
Really? You don’t think the country needs to see some people go to the gallows over this? We need and should seek RETRIBUTION for what they’ve done. Only way to heal.
And they can be compelled to testify without granting them immunity, since they can’t be prosecuted.
The House did impeach him. The equivalent of a Grand Jury indictment. He was found not guilty of the charges in the impeachment by the Senate.
The House Judiciary Committee approved articles of impeachment and reported those article to the House. But the full House never had a chance to vote before Nixon resigned.
On February 6, 1974, the House passed a resolution for the HJC to investigate charges against Nixon.
May 9, 1974, the HJC opened impeachment HEARINGS.
July 27, the HJC voted 3 articles of impeachment to the floor of the House.
August 9, 1974, Nixon resigned, BEFORE the House voted.
Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon w/o a conviction. TERRIBLE precedent.
I think Obama would much rather have the downfall of the US as his legacy.
His biggest "accomplishment" for his legacy is Obamacare.
And that was SPECIFICALLY designed to fail, in order to destroy the private sector health care and rush in single payer.
Since impeachment & removal of a president does not actually rely on letter of law (ex.: remove a POTUS because he ate a ham sandwich is legal/possible), does presidential pardon apply? I’m thinking not. A President could blanket-pardon a candidate who is subsequently elected to President, but Congress could summarily evict her from the office upon inauguration - not fine/incarcerate/execute, but could evict.
A reprieve can be granted after conviction and before the penalty is imposed (while walking to the gallows, for instance) while a pardon is granted after convinction and a penalty has been imposed (so they unlock your cell door). That is how my dictionary defines the two words, anyway.
I think Trump would have legitimate reason to challenge any reprieve or pardon issued when no crime has been determined by a court. What “Offence against the United States” has taken place if no conviction is reached? Short of a conviction, it’s all just suspicion and allegation.
Challenging Nixon’s (unnecessary) pardon would have served no purpose. Nobody proved he did anything illegal.
Issuing a pardon just to remove a cloud of suspicion is plain wrong, IMO.
Not so much for an exiting President, though, since a date past his leaving would end up being unusable.
I don’t believe you can pardon someone unless they have been indicted or convicted. Then again, this is Obama we’re talking about.
Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon when there was no indictment.
A president Trump could revoke the pardon by EO and the let the constutionality play out in the courts which would take several years. In the interim, these criminals could be prosecuted and their crimes exposed, making it politically difficult for a court to reverse the process.
A president Trump could also look closer into Obama’s eligibity with respect to the submission of fake documents (BC, SS #) which would make any and all actions by 0bama void.
it is a good scenario for trump.
He no longer has to deal with her. Obama’s legacy is compromised and 100% of his orders and legislation accomplishments can be scrapped.
It also makes anyone who is a bureaucrat in his administration totally compromised.
Obama could do this, but it would kill any chance of Hillary being POTUS and end his own legacy.
Once again, you cannot pardon someone that hasn’t been convicted (yet).
“Then they won’t be prosecuted. “
I think Trump’s DOJ head will figure out a way to remove the pardon or he will find something else. But here’s a question. Who pardons Obama?
If they are pardoned, they should be forced to testify and tell everything as there would be no attachment of jeopardy - no 5th amendment protection. They would be free and clear unless they lie during their testimony. Their stench and the depth of their guilt cannot remain hidden. Congress should make itself clear that will be the result of any pardon.
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