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A mother shot a 31-year-old man she found kissing her teen daughter, police say
https://www.washingtonpost.com/ ^ | 8/30/16 | Kristine Guerra

Posted on 08/31/2016 4:30:25 PM PDT by BBell

A 31-year-old man found himself running from bullets after a mother found him in her 16-year-old daughter’s bedroom, police say.

Valerie Fowler, of Paoli, Okla., shot Brandon Vail twice after she found him and her daughter kissing, according to an affidavit. Vail survived and was taken to a hospital by helicopter, while Fowler was arrested on charges of assault and battery with a deadly weapon.

The teen, who was identified in the affidavit as K.P., told police that her boyfriend had been coming over three times a week after her mother left for work at 5:30 a.m.

But on Monday morning, Fowler kicked in the locked bedroom door and fired a shot at Vail as he tried to get out of bed, according to the affidavit. Vail ran toward the hallway, while Fowler fired a second shot at him.

Michael Lewis, police chief for Paoli, about 50 miles southeast of Oklahoma City, was called about 7:20 a.m. to a nearby trailer home, where he found Vail lying on the front porch, according to the affidavit.

Investigators found bloodstains on the bed and sheets, as well as on the walls and floors of Fowler’s house. They also found a handgun.

Lewis told NBC affiliate KFOR that the 16-year-old girl and a young child witnessed the shooting. Lewis was not immediately available for comment Tuesday.

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TOPICS: Local News; Society
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; 31yearoldman; banglist; firearms; girlswithguns; guns; mother; oklahoma; shot; teendaughter; valeriefowler
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To: BBell

NOT GUILTY!

Next.


61 posted on 08/31/2016 6:40:32 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obama loves America)
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To: AuntB

I hear 3D printed pistols are absurdly easy to make and that gloves and a ski mask can be bought for cash at almost any Goodwill or equivalent. Just so you know.


62 posted on 08/31/2016 6:45:14 PM PDT by Laser_Ray
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To: BBell
Notice that the pervert MSM fail to mention that the pervert kissing the daughter was in the daughter's bedroom?

Isn't that great?

63 posted on 08/31/2016 6:58:43 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: anton

Kissing is bad parenting? I agree, yes, most definately in the 50’s & 60’s. Maybe in the 70’s & 80’s.

But cometh the 90’s, when Bill got in charge, parents had less and less control over their kids, you’ve got the movies, TV, government screwels, and social services backing the leftists.

Now come the 2000’s, you’ve got internet.

No my FRiend, the best of parents today may very well have losers for kids, unless they can keep them in a bubble with home schooling, church, no outside media and living in a community with similar ideals.

Seriously, when homos, child molesting, trannies and all the other perversion is now considered normal, just what is kissing to a 16 yo?


64 posted on 08/31/2016 7:05:07 PM PDT by redfreedom
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To: Snickering Hound
Age of consent in Oklahoma is 16, mom is in trouble.

Guy was over 18. Oklahoma law says it's statutory rape if the younger is more than 2 years younger than the older if the younger is under 18, even though age of consent is 16. Guy is 31. He should be charged.

65 posted on 08/31/2016 7:18:29 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees! - Kipling)
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To: Hugin
Well thank you Bones😳 I would have castrated him.
66 posted on 08/31/2016 7:21:23 PM PDT by TheGunny
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To: Edward.Fish; Trump20162020

What the map does not show is that the age of consent maybe 16 but an 18 year old cannot have sex legally with a 16 year old in a lot of these states. At least that how it is in my state.


67 posted on 08/31/2016 7:27:04 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: terycarl

Not technically a pedophile then, just a pervert. I don’t think many people care about the semantics.


68 posted on 08/31/2016 7:29:10 PM PDT by sam_whiskey (Peace through Strength)
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To: IYAS9YAS

http://www.oklahomalegalgroup.com/ageofconsent

Don’t know where you’re getting your information but the age of consent in Oklahoma is 16.

If you are over 18 and have sex with a girl 14 or less it’s a 1st degree rape, 14-15 2nd degree.


69 posted on 08/31/2016 7:36:23 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: NorthMountain

A 16 year old girl can be talked into anything and you know it. Their brains aren’t even done growing and their emotions are a mess. Any man messing with such a creature needs to be shot.


70 posted on 08/31/2016 7:55:33 PM PDT by donna (No one should be allowed to become a citizen or even a resident if they support Sharia Law.)
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To: BBell

And?


71 posted on 08/31/2016 8:06:43 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: BBell
What a ridiculous morass of law: the age of consent is 16, but if your partner is at/over the age of majority [18] then it's a crime.

Seriously, what's next? Citing the cut-off age of children on parent's insurance at 26 to mean that anyone having sex prior to that is a pedophile? -- Seriously, the point of the law is justice, and justice is NOT served by being complex.

In a state where corruption abounds, laws must be very numerous.
                                    OR
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.
— Tacitus
72 posted on 08/31/2016 8:37:21 PM PDT by Edward.Fish
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To: Timpanagos1

She could if the guest became belligerent and advanced against her when questioned or ordered to leave. In the home, the legal and factual presumptions tilt heavily in favor of the homeowner and family occupants. Indeed, the point of Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law was to reinforce those presumptions and to make them applicable outside the home to those who are in the right.


73 posted on 08/31/2016 10:18:00 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

Let’s put it like this.

While I am not fully knowable of such laws in each state, I would, regardless of your state, strongly advise you not to shoot guests who have been invited into your home by you, or another member of the household.


74 posted on 08/31/2016 11:15:09 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Timpanagos1
While I am not fully knowable of such laws in each state, I would, regardless of your state, strongly advise you not to shoot guests who have been invited into your home by you, or another member of the household.

Sorry, but a stranger in bed with my daughter is going to get a load of buckshot in the ass. What, I'm I going to quiz him 20 questions to find out his intent.

75 posted on 08/31/2016 11:34:25 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici
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To: Timpanagos1
Assuming that one does not have an attorney always at one's elbow, an explanation of the legal issues may be helpful. In most states, invitees are considered an exception to the "castle doctrine" that authorizes the residents of a home to use force to defend life or property while in the home without any duty of retreat.

In the facts of the shooting we are discussing, it seems that the supposed invitee of the teen had entered in secret and in knowing disregard of the directives of the teen's mother, who was the homeowner and the adult head of household. For those reasons, and because statutory rape seems to have been intended or carried out, the claimed invitee would probably not be afforded protection as an exception to the "castle doctrine." And if he had become menacing when detected by the mother, the mother would be legally permitted to use deadly force to defend herself and her daughter without any duty to retreat.

76 posted on 09/01/2016 12:07:02 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: donna
A 16 year old girl can be talked into anything

ROFL!!!!

77 posted on 09/01/2016 4:27:18 AM PDT by NorthMountain (Hillary Clinton: corrupt unreliable negligent traitor)
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To: Snickering Hound
Don’t know where you’re getting your information but the age of consent in Oklahoma is 16.

Actually, I used the very site you provided in your link, but upon further research, I think it needs better clarification.

I took this, from the link you provided: "In Oklahoma, the age of consent is 16, and the law recognizes an age differential of two years. This means that no person can be convicted of rape or rape by instrumentation with anyone over the age of 14, with that person’s consent, unless the defendant was older than 18 at the time the sexual act occurred. Though statutory rape is a strict liability crime which does not require the prosecutor to prove that an assault occurred, it is still classified as rape under the Oklahoma penal code."

I took it to mean that if the defendant was over 18, even if the victim was 16, that statutory rape had occurred. However, upon finding further information, it's muddled, and that over 18 appears to only apply if the victim is younger than 14, depending on how it's read. So, it's best to practice that age-old advice that 16 will get you 20, and stay the heck away.

78 posted on 09/01/2016 5:51:17 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees! - Kipling)
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To: donna

Try talking a sixteen year old girl out of something she wants! Can’t be done.


79 posted on 09/01/2016 5:54:37 AM PDT by tioga
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To: BBell

I would be hard pressed to find this mother guilty. Any grown man in my daughter’s bed in a locked bedroom would be lucky to get out of the house alive. Very sad state of the world.


80 posted on 09/01/2016 5:56:18 AM PDT by tioga
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