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No contest. The Bismarck is overrated. The Bismarck used the WW I era Bayern Class as the template.
1 posted on 08/15/2016 6:48:21 AM PDT by C19fan
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Yamato had bigger guns and more armor. Would have easily sunk the Bismark.


2 posted on 08/15/2016 6:57:02 AM PDT by JerryBlackwell (some animals are more equal than others)
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The Japanese concentrate their fire on Bismarck, which has slowed to a stop and ceased firing. An eagle eyed Japanese sailor onboard Yamato sees a German officer strike the ships colors, and miraculously, the order goes out across the fleet to cease firing.

Well that's a generous statement. Maybe I'm wrong, but I have serious doubts that WW2 Japan would have extended such grace to the enemy.

3 posted on 08/15/2016 6:58:23 AM PDT by Marko413
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German naval officers were superior, the Japanese ship was far superior.

Based on the Japanese naval performance in World War I, the Japanese would have probably run after they rendered the German ship a wreck.


6 posted on 08/15/2016 7:09:38 AM PDT by PAR35
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I'd tend to agree. Just look at what it took to sink them.

The value of the Bismarck was that it took the entire British fleet to locate them. A relatively modest number of aircraft cut her speed before surface ships caught up with her.

The location of the Yamato was never in doubt. We had complete air superiority and lost visual contact with the Yamato only at brief intervals from when it left port at Tokuyama.

It was under continuous attack from three carrier groups whereas the Bismarck was merely slown down by attacks from a single carrier, the Ark Royal which allowed surface ships led by the Battleship King George V to finally overtake the Bismarck and finish it off.

8 posted on 08/15/2016 7:14:03 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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The Yamato had WAY longer range guns, too. The Bismarck is nowhere as well-armored as most American battleships, either.
10 posted on 08/15/2016 7:21:35 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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There is more then just guns and armor. The West Virginia, in the last Dreadnought engagement ever, used RADAR fire controlled and made hits from it's first salvos, at night. The whole Japaneses Task force retreated. The Japanese Navy were always considered superior at night fighting, until RADAR changed that.
13 posted on 08/15/2016 7:34:32 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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A better use of resources would have been to build 2,054 20.3 ton Mark III tanks instead of the 41,700 ton Bismarck. England may have shifted there resources had Germany done this but the extra tanks would have been more useful to Germany at the start of the war than the Bismarck was.


14 posted on 08/15/2016 7:40:08 AM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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Bismarck had better fire control than the Yamato.
Yamato had bigger guns, heavier armor, and longer ranges.
It would be closer to a ‘fair’ fight than either side would like.
Both of ‘em would have been in deep trouble if they ran into an Iowa.


16 posted on 08/15/2016 8:19:11 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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Bismarck:
8 - 15” main guns Max effective range 38,880 yds
1.8 rounds per minute per gun on average.
projectile weight 1,764 lb
Armor 12.6” belt and 3.9 to 4.7” deck
Speed 30 knots

9 - 18” main guns Max effective range 40,000 yds
1.5 rounds per minute per gun on average,
Projectile weight 3,306 lb
Armor 16” belt and 8 to 9 “ deck
Speed 27 knots

Bismarck’s guns could penetrate Yamato’s deck and belt armor out to 20,000 yards. While Yamato’s guns could penetrate Bismarck’s deck and belt armor out to 35,000 yards.

In essence Bismarck was built as a commerce raider and not to fight battle ships, on the other hand Yamato was and could conceivably sit at maximum range and beat the Bismark to death.


18 posted on 08/15/2016 8:32:51 AM PDT by thegrump (It is who we are. It is what we do. Live for nothing or die for something ! (Rambo))
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Dumbest match up ever. One volley from the Yamato would have finished the Bismark.


19 posted on 08/15/2016 8:34:49 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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IMO a more interesting contest would have been one of our Iowa Class battleships v. Bismarck or Tirpitz.


21 posted on 08/15/2016 8:38:14 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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If Germany had won WW1 and avoided the Versailles treaty then they would have avoided the Washington Treaty and German battleships would have entered the 1940’s as at least equal to and likely superior to anything the Japanese could put in the water. They’d have also developed superiority in submarines and the battle between the German navy and the Japanese navy would have included Japanese ships getting slaughtered by long range U boats and then getting shelled by super battleships mounting naval versions of the Gustav guns.

It would not have been pretty.


31 posted on 08/15/2016 9:22:17 AM PDT by MeganC (JE SUIS CHARLES MARTEL!!!)
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One must consider more than the ships for a hypothetical naval engagement. America beat Japan because of our sailors...


37 posted on 08/15/2016 9:38:52 AM PDT by MichaelRDanger
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dabbling in Kantai Collection every now and again, I find this conversation absolutely hilarious


40 posted on 08/15/2016 10:23:50 AM PDT by thoughtomator (This message has been encrypted in ROT13 twice for maximum security)
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later


52 posted on 08/15/2016 3:07:20 PM PDT by BikerTrash
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56 posted on 08/15/2016 7:50:26 PM PDT by Gideon7
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57 posted on 08/15/2016 7:51:41 PM PDT by Gideon7
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