Hawaii Official Who Died After Crash Wore Infant Life Vest

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502 posted on 08/28/2016 3:50:16 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)

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498 posted on ‎8‎/‎28‎/‎2016‎ ‎10‎:‎51‎:‎03‎ ‎AM by Jim Robinson

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502 posted on ‎8‎/‎28‎/‎2016‎ ‎4‎:‎50‎:‎16‎ ‎PM by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)

503 posted on 08/29/2016 11:04:56 AM PDT by LucyT

To: headsonpikes

I gather you don’t care if the government is corrupt, eh?
Most conservatives care very much.

504 posted on 08/30/2016 11:37:24 AM PDT by rx (Truth Will Out!)

The government is corrupt - every conservative knows that.

Your Twilight Zone hypothesizing does nothing to combat real world corruption.

On Planet rx, elaborate schemes are hatched to cover up ...nothing, apparently; or what, exactly?

505 posted on 08/30/2016 12:03:38 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)

To: headsonpikes

What you conjecture to be merely my hypothesizing has been confirmed as valid and correct by knowledgeable professionals, current, very experienced FAA Inspectors and a retired NTSB Investigator in Charge. Mine are not elaborate, hatched up schemes, as you say, to cover up something.

There’s no need to be insulting about that with which you’re not familiar. Did you think doing that takes me down or enhances the perception of your skills?

What are you doing to expose and decrease government corruption? Certainly nothing as you criticize me.

506 posted on 08/30/2016 1:34:06 PM PDT by rx (Truth Will Out!)

To: smokingfrog; WildHighlander57; Admin Moderator

Smoking, I’m posting the text FOR THE RECORD. Moderator, if it’s not acceptable to do so, please feel free to delete.

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In his recently released book, Bruce Briley says Health Director Loretta Fuddy ‘died in my arms’

April 17, 2016
By CHRIS SUGIDONO - Staff Writer (csugidono@mauinews.com) , The Maui News
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Bruce Briley feared the worst when an unconscious woman resembling his wife was placed beside him inside a helicopter that had just rescued him from a plane crash off Molokai’s Kalaupapa peninsula more than two years ago.

“I spread the hair off her face, and it was not my wife,” Briley told The Maui News Thursday. “It turned out to be Loretta Fuddy.”

Briley was one of eight passengers and one pilot who crashed a half mile off Molokai on the night of Dec. 11, 2013. It made national headlines after Fuddy, the director of the state Department of Health, died in the crash. Fuddy had been the Health Department director who verified and approved the release of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate.

“I knew she didn’t go down in the plane,” Briley said. “I believe she died in my arms because, although the water was chilly, her face was warm.”

The 79-year-old Illinois resident recently released a book recounting his experience. The book is titled “On a Wing and a Prayer: A True Story by A Survivor of a Tragic Crash in the Pacific Ocean.” Briley and his wife, Marilyn, were the two most seriously injured survivors of the crash.

The book is available online at Amazon.com.

“I’m not the same person, nor is my wife. It was a life-changing experience,” Briley said.

The couple were enjoying their first full day in the islands before they boarded Makani Kai’s Cessna Caravan aircraft. Briley was doing research for a historical fiction book he was writing on a royal family member contracting leprosy.

“We spent a rather interesting day touring the colony, and we were returning to Oahu with basically the same or identical aircraft we arrived in,” Briley said. “The takeoff appeared normal, and we were climbing at a rapid rate, but around 1,000 or 1,500 feet altitude the engine blew up and suddenly we were without power.”

The National Transportation Safety Board has not released a full report on the crash, but Briley was told by a lawyer involved in the case that one of the blades in the engine “tore loose.” He said the completion of the report has been stalled several times due to the retirement of the assigned investigator and larger aircraft crashes in recent years.

“We heard a very loud bang, and it was clear nothing was pushing us up anymore, so then we started down,” Briley said. “There was not any panic, per se, which I thought was incredibly calm for a group of people. On one hand, you’re in a state of shock, but for Hawaiians as a class - they are a little more calm compared to us normal mortals. They took it in stride.”

Briley said the pilot, Clyde Kawasaki, banked to the side and kept air speed up to prevent the plane from stalling.

“If it had stalled, we would’ve dropped like a rock and perished,” Briley said. “He was the last one out, and his face was covered in blood.”

Briley and his wife were sitting in the front row behind Kawasaki when the plane hit the water. He said the crash felt like a “baseball bat hitting you in the chops.”

“We both bashed our faces into the front,” he said. “You don’t know if you just woke up or if that just happened. I looked down, and my wife was already on the floor with her face up.”

The seat belt had torn loose from his wife’s body, and seawater was up to her ears as she laid in the aisle. Fuddy was seated behind his wife and also had lost her seat belt, he said.

“She was apparently OK when she exited the plane and was floating for some time,” he said of Fuddy.

Briley said the door to the plane was jammed in the crash, but a passenger managed to kick it open. Kawasaki led the passengers out of the plane after finding any life vests they could put their hands on, he said.

“It dawns on you quickly that a life vest is my life,” he said. “If I don’t find a life vest, I’m going to die. It’s quite a revelation.”

Everyone managed to escape the plane before it quickly sunk with all their luggage into the ocean, Briley said. The crash survivors helped each other put on their life vests, and they were together for about three or four minutes, until strong waves and currents swept through them.

“It was a striking thing how quickly I was right next to my wife and all of a sudden she wasn’t there, and nobody else was either,” he said.

Briley suffered three broken ribs and his eardrums were “destroyed.” His wife fared much worse with five broken ribs, a split sternum and a serious injury to her arm that still bothers her. She also inhaled and swallowed so much water that she was put on an oxygen system for six weeks because she was not oxygenating adequately, and doctors feared she would get pneumonia.

“You’re just a human being trying to survive,” he said. “I’m an old fart, but I’m still pretty active.”

Despite suffering injuries, the couple did not feel all of them at once, Briley said. They did all they could to hold onto their life vests as they drifted apart and farther from shore.

“My wife was praying for the latter part of the time,” he said. “She had given up making any progress with swimming and decided to give herself up to whatever was going to happen.”

Briley attempted to swim to shore and held on to his collapsable cane attached to his belt in case he needed it to beat off a shark attack. He said there were no signs of help aside from a tall lighthouse on the island.

“Molokai, there’s almost nothing there,” he said. “There’s no apparent means to rescuing anybody. No rescue aircrafts or boats.”

After treading water for about two hours and nightfall creeping closer, Briley began to lose hope.

“We had both admittedly hit the moment of despair,” he said. “We were both sure this was going to be it.”

It was then that Briley saw a U.S. Coast Guard helicopter zero in on his location. A rescue basket and diver were dropped on him, and he was lifted out of the water.

“I didn’t really believe it. I thought it was a mirage,” he said.

Briley began asking rescuers about his wife, but no one inside knew where she was. He said he began “shivering so hard it hurt” due to the ocean water and wind from the helicopter.

After some time, the Coast Guard picked up Fuddy and placed her beside Briley. He feared the worst when he noticed her brown hair, which looked identical to his wife’s.

“I can’t explain it,” he said. “I felt awful for her, but I had this good feeling that my wife was still alive somewhere. It was not an experience I would recommend for anyone.”

Briley said Fuddy appeared to be “expired,” but he believed she was still alive. Some survivors believe she had died while waiting to be rescued.

“It was clear that she was unconscious, but her face was warm, which surprised me,” he said. “I thought about that afterwards: did she drown and could I have done something?”

Maui police have said her death was the result of an irregular heartbeat triggered by stress. Her autopsy determined that death was caused by acute cardiac arrhythmia due to hyperventilation.

Briley said he was taken back to Molokai where he was given blankets to warm himself and then rushed to The Queen’s Medical Center on Oahu. He said he waited at the hospital for about an hour before his wife entered to the yells and shouts of joy of doctors and nurses.

“I was very happy to see my wife,” he said. “That was a tremendous relief - while not perfect, she was alive.”

While happy to be alive, the traumatic experience has been difficult on the couple. They suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder and have not traveled since the crash.

“Anytime I mention the thing she will often break into tears,” he said.

Briley said the sound of an aircraft sometimes causes an attack, and they have developed a peculiar “fetish” for lighthouses because a lighthouse was their only landmark after the crash. He added that writing the book and talking about it with others have been therapeutic.

“I think you have to beat it to death until it doesn’t bother you too much, otherwise you can dwell on it and have bad dreams,” he said.

The couple still hope to return to Hawaii and Maui and salvage their original vacation. He said they have grown somewhat close to their fellow survivors and reflect on how they were able to escape such a dangerous crash.

“There were a baker’s dozen worth of minor miracles for us to survive,” he said. “You begin to think why were we saved. I don’t expect to be tapped on the shoulder to build an ark, but strange thoughts come to your mind under such circumstances.”

* Chris Sugidono can be reached at csugidono@mauinews.com.

507 posted on 08/30/2016 4:41:29 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum)

To: 4Zoltan; WildHighlander57

FROM YOUR LINK - PASSENGER REPORTS

SURVIVAL FACTORS
The airplane was configured with two flight crew seats and nine passenger seats. The pilot occupied the left flight crew seat, and the right flight crew seat was not occupied. There were four passenger seats on the left side of the airplane, which were numbered from front to back as seats 1, 3, 5, and 7, and five passenger seats on the right side of the airplane, which were numbered from front to back
as seats 2, 4, 6, 8, and 9. All the passenger seats except seat 9, which was located aft of the passenger door at the rear of the cabin, were occupied. For purposes of this report, the passengers will be identified by their seat numbers; for example, passenger 1 was the person seated in seat 1 during the accident flight.

The pilot reported that he hit his head on the instrument panel during the water impact, and was “bleeding badly” as a result. He unstrapped his harness, yelled at the passengers to get out, and started to grab seat cushions to use as floatation devices. He looked for life vests, saw one, and gave it to a passenger who said his wife did not have one. He did not take time to look for his own
life vest as the airplane was filling with water. After checking to see that the cabin was empty, he exited through the door at the rear of the cabin. He told the passengers to swim away from the airplane because he was concerned that it would sink rapidly and drag them down. The current and waves, which he estimated to be 6 to 8 feet high, gradually separated the group. The pilot’s reported
weight was 240 pounds.

Passengers 1 and 2, a married couple, both sustained serious injuries. Their daughter reported that
her father (passenger 1) sustained broken ribs and a gash on his head, and her mother (passenger 2)
sustained broken ribs and a broken sternum. She further reported that her father said they received a passenger briefing for the morning flight from Honolulu to Kalaupapa, however, did not receive a briefing for the accident flight. Passenger 1’s reported weight was 200 pounds and passenger 2’s reported weight was 175 pounds.

Review of the video, recorded by passenger 8, indicated that the fatally injured passenger, passenger
3, exited the airplane under her own power while wearing an inflated life vest. Passenger 3’s life vest was examined, and determined to be an infant life vest. One of the two CO2 cartridges installed in the vest was punctured and empty, and the other cartridge was full, consistent with a partially inflated life vest. Passenger 3’s reported weight was 220 pounds.

Passenger 4, who was traveling with passenger 3, reported that the pilot did not give a safety briefing before takeoff. He said that after the airplane impacted the water, he saw other passengers with life vests, and asked where they were located. Someone told him they were in the seat pockets, and he found one, put it on, and went to the back of the airplane.

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Passenger 4 further stated that he was at the rear door passing seat cushions out to passengers who were already in the water when passenger 3 came to the door; she was wearing a life vest, and she inflated the vest. They got into the water, and he inflated his life vest. Passenger 4 stayed with passenger 3 as they drifted away from the airplane. He noted that passenger 3 was “not really saying
anything but was breathing very hard and fast.” Later, he noticed that passenger 3’s eyes were closed, and she was no longer breathing hard.

Passenger 4 added that the pouch that the life vest was stored in was difficult to open and that the
vest was “very tight” on his neck and difficult to remove when he got on shore. He said that “even with the life vest on I was surprised [at] how much effort was needed to keep my head above the waves and to avoid swallowing water.” He did not use the life vest’s waist strap. Passenger 4’s life vest was examined, and determined to be an adult life vest. Passenger 4’s reported weight was 175 pounds.

Passengers 5 and 6, a married couple, reported that the pilot assigned them seats, but did not provide
a safety briefing prior to the flight. The pilot asked them how many of them had flown over that morning, and then said, “you know the procedures.” After the water impact, passenger 6 opened the door at the rear of the cabin, and immediately jumped into the water without a life vest. Passenger 5 jumped out behind him, and she also did not have a life vest. Someone was throwing life vests out of
the airplane, and passenger 6 grabbed two of them. He inflated a life vest without putting it on, and
held onto it. He assisted his wife (passenger 5) in putting on and inflating a life vest; she did not use the life vest’s waist strap. She reported that the life vest “pushed up around her head and was choking her.” The life vests worn by passengers 5 and 6 were examined, and determined to be adult life vests. Passenger 5’s reported weight was 210 pounds and passenger 6’s reported weight was 200 pounds.

Passenger 7 reported that everyone exited the airplane without difficulty. He recalled helping an older couple put on their life vests before they exited the airplane. He said that they were having difficulty opening the pouches that the vests were stored in so he opened the pouches for them, helped them put the vests on, and inflated one CO2 cartridge on each vest. After exiting the airplane, he
swam to shore. He later found that he had inadvertently put on an infant life vest, which he said seemed “small or tight” although it “worked fine.” Passenger 7’s reported weight was 160 pounds.

Passenger 8 reported that it took a few minutes for everyone to exit the airplane and that he did not
notice anyone having a problem. His video showed that he obtained a life vest from the seat pocket in
front of his seat. Passenger 8’s reported weight was 160 pounds.

An autopsy of the fatally injured passenger was conducted by Pan Pacific Pathologists, LLC, of
Wailuku, Hawaii, under the authority of the Maui Police Department. The findings listed in the autopsy
report included “acute cardiac arrhythmia” and “no significant traumatic injuries.” The report noted
that she was observed by another passenger “to be fearful and hyperventilating shortly before losing consciousness.” According to the autopsy report, her cause of death was “acute cardiac arrhythmia due
to hyperventilation.”

Review of 14 CFR 135.117, briefing of passengers before flight, revealed that section A states in part
“…Before each takeoff each pilot in command of an aircraft carrying passengers shall ensure that all
passengers have been orally briefed on…Location and means for opening the passenger entry door and emergency exits…Location of survival equipment…If the flight involves extended overwater operation, ditching procedures and the use of required flotation equipment.”
Item 9 states that “before each takeoff the pilot in command shall ensure that each person who may
need the assistance of another person to move expeditiously to an exit if an emergency occurs and that person’s attendant, if any, has received a briefing as to the procedures to be followed if anevacuation occurs. This paragraph does not apply to a person who has been given a briefing before a previous leg of a flight in the same aircraft.”

508 posted on 08/30/2016 7:22:59 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum)

From your link:

YAMAMOTO REPORT:

A. My Observations Before the Accident
1 buckled my seat belt and was talking with Loretta about some of the Issues that came up during our visit to Kalaupapa. 1 remember the pilot saying something about-the test was who remembered his name-someone said Clyde. We then took off -a few minutes into the flight I remember hearing a loud beeping sound and saw the plane started to go down. I could see that the plane was getting closer to the water~we then hit the water. I then remember seeing water coming Into the front part of the plane.

B. My Observations During the Accident
1 remember hearing people saying get the door open. I then saw people with their life vest on -and asked where were the life vests and someone said in the seat pocket. I put the life vest on and went to the back of the plane I then tried to blow up the vest. I was at the plane door and was passing seat cushions out to people, Loretta came out of the plane with her life vest on I started to blow up her vest-she then pulled the cord that filled her vest. I saw the pilot and he was bleeding from his head - he said we needed to get away from the plane. We got in the water -and I pulled the cord and fully inflated my vest. I remember seeing the pilot swim by he kept saying stay together. When we got in the water it started to get rough and the group got separated. I had lost my glasses and was having a hard
time seeing - we were trying to swim and stay close to the group. Loretta was not really saying anything but was breathing very hard and fast- I saw that her eyes were open and her legs were moving~ - I kept saying be calm and float We kept swimming for a while toward the others and tried to stay above the waves and avoid swallowing water. I then thought I saw a boat in the distance and I remember saving a boat was coming- and we tried to swim toward the boat -1 then realized that I may have been seeing things and a boat was not coming. I then realized that Loretta’s eyes were closed and she was no longer breathing hard- 1 remember seeing her hand floating in the water and she was no longer holding on to me-l kept saying we will be ok and to keep calm. I then realized that I needed to do something to get help. The shore looked close so I decided to swim to shore. I took off my shoes, socks and pants then tried to swim to shore but the life vest kept pullfng me upward -1 then started to get cramps in my right leg. I realized that 1 was not going to make it to shore and that the current and waves had pulled Loretta away. The waves were getting higher and I kept trying to keep my head above the waves and to avoid swallowing water. I then remember seeing planes and helicopters flying above. Then a helicopter with a rescue basket and diver arrived and pulled me out of the water and put me on shore.

C. Observations After the Accident
When the diver pulled me out of the water I remember my leg cramping up again he then asked myname. I asked him If they had gotten Loretta-he said they were still working on getting people out.
Several staff and patlents·from Kalaupapa were on shore they gave me blankets and I told them that the Director was still out there. Two other passengers were on shore- we were taken to the airport where nurses and rescue staff were helping people. They asked If I was hurt -1 said I was ok -only had a c:ramp In my leg. I then saw a women covered in blankets and thought she was Loretta and asked her if she
was ok -1 realized that it was not her. I then saw Mark Miller the Kalaupapa administrator and asked if
Loretta was ok -he said that they were still rescuing people and he did not k.now, he then later told me
that she was ok and was being flown to Honolulu. One of the Kalaupapa residents got me some dry clothes. Then a few minutes later Mark told me that Loretta did not make it. I asked Mark if he know where she was and I needed to see her-I also asked to see the Kalaupapa Catholic: priest. I spoke wfth the Catholic priest and told him that Loretta did not make it and that she was a devote catholic and
would he please do last rites. Mark then took me to the Kalaupapa facility-the staff where working on cleaning loretta and the priest was giving the last rites. The staff gave me Loretta’s person items. Mark drove me to airport and I returned to Honoh.llo.

D. Other Observations
I do not remember the pilot giving us any safety instruction prior to take off. The package that the life
vest was in was difficult to open. The life vest was very tight on my neck and I was surprised how difficult it was to remove when I got on shore. The next day I realized that my lower jaw and collar area was sore from the pressure of the life vest. Even with the life vest on 1 was surprised how much effort was needed to keep my head above the waves and to avoid swallowing water. 1 also realized that 1 did
not have the life vest belt during most of the time in the water.

509 posted on 08/31/2016 12:17:42 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum)

FOR THE RECORD

http://mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/609125/Survivor-recalls—tragic-crash—off-Molokai-in-2013.html

Survivor recalls ‘tragic crash’ off Molokai in 2013

In his recently released book, Bruce Briley says Health Director Loretta Fuddy ‘died in my arms’

April 17, 2016

By CHRIS SUGIDONO - Staff Writer (csugidono@mauinews.com) , The Maui News

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510 posted on 08/31/2016 12:25:02 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum)

“After some time, the Coast Guard picked up Fuddy and placed her beside Briley. He feared the worst when he noticed her brown hair, which looked identical to his wife’s.”

511 posted on 08/31/2016 12:27:34 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum)

~ ~ ~ book “Dreams of My - - - “ hmmm trip to Hawaii ~ ??

512 posted on 08/31/2016 3:00:34 AM PDT by PraiseTheLord (have you seen the fema camps, shackle box cars, thousands of guillotines, stacks of coffins ~)

From the Yamamoto report; Yamamoto speaking here:

“...I then saw Mark Miller the Kalaupapa administrator and asked if Loretta was ok -he said that they were still rescuing people and he did not know, he then later told me
that she was ok and was being flown to Honolulu.

One of the Kalaupapa residents got me some dry clothes.

Then a few minutes later Mark told me that Loretta did not make it. ...

From the Maui News Briley story by Sugidono:

“...After some time, the Coast Guard picked up Fuddy and placed her beside Briley. He feared the worst when he noticed her brown hair, which looked identical to his wife’s.
...
Briley said Fuddy appeared to be “expired,” but he believed she was still alive. Some survivors believe she had died while waiting to be rescued.

“It was clear that she was unconscious, but her face was warm, which surprised me,” he said. “I thought about that afterwards: did she drown and could I have done something?” ...”

Both Mark Miller and Briley above (and possibly the coast guard rescuers) spoke as if Fuddy was alive after being picked up.

And there was a case of mistaken identity: from the Yamamoto report above, Fuddy had been put next to Mr. Briley, and Ms. Briley ended up near Yamamoto. (The excerpt below is also from the Yamamoto report; Yamamoto speaking)

“...I then saw a women covered in blankets and thought she was Loretta and asked her if she was ok -1 realized that it was not her. ...”

513 posted on 08/31/2016 1:20:32 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)

To: WildHighlander57; 4Zoltan; little jeremiah; Brown Deer

Do you think maybe it's possible, after so many mix-ups in identifying the two women, both brown haired, both overweight; their life-vests, after removal, were incorrectly labelled?

It would seem so...

Fuddy certainly wore a fully inflated vest as this image shows:

But Mrs Briley, who had broken ribs and an injured sternum, would have required her life vest to be cut, and it was she who was flown to the hospital.

514 posted on 08/31/2016 3:20:39 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum)

To: WildHighlander57

from #507

...Briley began asking rescuers about his wife, but no one inside knew where she was. He said he began “shivering so hard it hurt” due to the ocean water and wind from the helicopter.

After some time, the Coast Guard picked up Fuddy and placed her beside Briley. He feared the worst when he noticed her brown hair, which looked identical to his wife’s.

Briley was asking for his wife...and she wasn't there because she had been flown to the hospital, leaving her partially inflated life vest behind...with one spent and one still filled cartridge, which the rescuers labelled Fuddy.

515 posted on 08/31/2016 3:25:37 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum)

To: WildHighlander57

from #508

And one of that older couple was Mrs Briley, with ONE CO2 CARTRIDGE USED.

516 posted on 08/31/2016 3:36:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum)

To: WildHighlander57; 4Zoltan; Brown Deer

Thus we see an 'infant' life vest and the cartridges (one spent) as removed from the injured Mrs Briley before she was flown to hospital, leaving behind the vest which had been cut from her due to her injuries, and labelled FUDDY IN ERROR by the rescuers...and the vest that Fuddy wore is possibly one of two UNLABELLED adults vests shown above.

517 posted on 08/31/2016 3:54:35 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum)

You can't be serious. Do you think you can just make up information?

Look at Marilyn Briley's PFD.

Facing Marilyn on the left is Flip Hollstein, who was known to be wearing an infant life jacket throughout. Marilyn's PFD is clearly larger than FH's. Hers is an adult life jacket. End of story.

Furthermore, the NTSB accident photo file (page4), showing Fuddy's Infant Life jacket says, "Life vest was cut at clinic". Queens Hospital could hardly be called a clinic, and the USCG helo crew would not have forced someone to continue to wear a life jacket for the 40-minute helo ride, and the ambulance crew would not have transported her with an infant life jacket for the 10-minute ride to Queens.

The entire body of evidence is against this made up story of MB wearing an infant life jacket! Let alone one that had just one cartridge pulled.

Hollstein was not around when either Marilyn Briley or Fuddy came out of the plane. He'd already been out of the plane for a minute and a half before Fuddy.

MB is shown outside the plane 20 seconds before FH is seen outside the plane (coming up vertically from the deep, near the plane's tail). She doesn't have a life jacket on, so it has to be labeled untruthful that FH put a life jacket on her before she exited the plane.

Furthermore, Bruce Briley wasn't wearing any life jacket when he exited. Minutes later he's seen floating on his back without a life jacket on, but still carrying it on his stomach.

It seems to me the visual evidence once again to show FH to making stuff up left and right. Giving false evidence to federal officials concerning an investigation was still illegal last time I checked.

It's really not appropriate to make stuff up on the fly. To do so when easily-available evidence contradicts should create some self-restraint. It would in most people.

518 posted on 08/31/2016 4:34:53 PM PDT by rx (Truth Will Out!)

To: rx; Fred Nerks

"Furthermore, the NTSB accident photo file (page4), showing Fuddy's Infant Life jacket says, "Life vest was cut at clinic". Queens Hospital could hardly be called a clinic, and the USCG helo crew would not have forced someone to continue to wear a life jacket for the 40-minute helo ride, and the ambulance crew would not have transported her with an infant life jacket for the 10-minute ride to Queens."

Are you saying that Marilyn Briley was not first taken to the clinic and then sent to Queens Hospital in Honolulu?

519 posted on 08/31/2016 5:05:55 PM PDT by 4Zoltan

There's no [me] saying any of that!

Marilyn's report was that she only made it to the airport before it was decided to take her to Queens. There's no clinic at the airport.

Do you think the townspeople at the airport put blankets on her and stuck her in a wheelchair but still left her in a life jacket? Your call.

The only cases where any reasonable person would not have taken a life jacket off a rescued person is if they might still need it (still over water and not on a gurney), or the body were lifeless. The NTSB was clear. The big blue "Fuddy" label in the picture on page 4 of the Accident Photos file should tell you that the life jacket was not Marilyn Briley's.

If you wish to say the NTSB, with its 10+ man-year, 2.4 calendar-year investigation was wrong on some point, you really should feel the responsibility to have some evidence!

520 posted on 08/31/2016 5:25:39 PM PDT by rx (Truth Will Out!)

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