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Downtrend HuffPo: Shooting In Self-Defense Is Illegal Because It Denies Violent Criminals A Fair Tri
Downtrend ^ | April 28, 2016 | Brian Anderson

Posted on 04/30/2016 2:23:11 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I have no idea what to make of this. The Huffington Post is arguing that Americans have no legal right to shoot a violent attacker because it violates the criminal’s right to a fair trial. I feel confident in saying this is by far the dumbest attempt to subvert our gun ownership rights ever and that’s saying a lot considering how insanely stupid gun grabbers are.

Justin Curmi is a dyslexic guy with a degree in philosophy. According to his bio he is, “A blogger that seeks to engage people in thought and conversation through presenting new views to matters, new or old.” Writing for The HuffPo, he presented one hell of a view concerning our right to not be murdered by a maniac killer.

Oddly enough, this thing starts out very un-HuffPosty by acknowledging that the 2nd Amendment does protect private gun ownership:

 The Second Amendment is highly contested. There is no doubt that people do have the right to carry and have a stockpile of guns (“the right of the people to keep and bear arms”) and a state has the right to organize a well-regulated Militia. But, the main issue is on the right to self-defend with a firearm.

It’s still worded sarcastically, but that does seem like the author reluctantly agrees with the people’s right to keep and bear arms. Now here is where things become unhinged:

 The main problem with the notion of self-defense is it imposes on justice, for everyone has the right for a fair trial. Therefore, using a firearm to defend oneself is not legal because if the attacker is killed, he or she is devoid of his or her rights.

There are an awful lot of flaws with this argument, the first being that a violent attacker hasn’t been arrested or charged yet when they are trying to commit a terrible act. They aren’t due their day in court until they are formally charged. In addition, a person committing an unlawful act forfeits certain legal protections.

Second, the Bill of Rights only limits the power of the federal government, not the people. The Constitution doesn’t lay out all of our rights, just the ones the feds can’t mess with. We have other rights besides what is in the document, and one of those is the basic human right to live.

Third, nothing in the Constitution forbids the people from defending themselves against a deadly attack. There is no clause in the 6th Amendment that says a person cannot defend himself or herself with deadly force because it interferes with a criminal’s right to a fair trial. There have also been no Supreme Court rulings in this area.

And if you thought that was idiotic, check out the other reasons why the author thinks we can’t use guns in self-defense:

 Therefore, if we ponder and meditate on the recent events in news about guns, it would be obvious that the current state is incorrect. A gun for civilians is a weapon for a revolution and not for ordinary use. The belief that a gun is a useful tool to protect one is counterintuitive because guns get into the hands of people who use them for horrible reasons.

That’s almost like a cohesive thought, I guess. Basically this guy is saying that guns are only for overthrowing the government so they cannot be used for defense or hunting or target shooting. Plus, since criminals use guns for crime, law-abiding people can’t use them to stop crime.

The only thing I can conclude here is that the Huffington Post paid Justin Curmi with psychedelic mushrooms and gave him a big advance for his writing. This isn’t even normal gun-grabber ignorance and misrepresentation of fact. This is balls-out/tin-foil hat insanity. The only thing thought provoking about his argument is; why isn’t he in an institution where he can get the help he needs?


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To: Robert DeLong
The person is denied his right.
Trial.
21 posted on 04/30/2016 3:48:05 AM PDT by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberali sono feccia.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dirty Harry’s policy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRA5FBtbHHM


22 posted on 04/30/2016 3:54:48 AM PDT by eastforker (The only time you can be satisfied is when your all Trump.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More progressive idiocy. After you’re dead you can shoot back.


23 posted on 04/30/2016 3:56:28 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More progressive idiocy. After you’re dead you can shoot back.


24 posted on 04/30/2016 3:56:29 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Rapscallion

You go first Justin.


25 posted on 04/30/2016 4:02:19 AM PDT by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: AbolishCSEU

Justin Curmi, Justin Trudeau, Justin Thyme.....

Is everyone named Justin just a clueless dork or what?


26 posted on 04/30/2016 4:21:25 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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To: elcid1970

“Is everyone named Justin just a clueless dork or what?”

Not necessarily but we probably should assume so Justin Case.


27 posted on 04/30/2016 4:25:44 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep - far more fair to allow yourself to be killed so the bad guy gets treated fairly...wonder how they would put it into practice under real world conditions....


28 posted on 04/30/2016 4:35:15 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

LOL, that’s what happens when you post half asleep!!! That and my typing dyslexia.


29 posted on 04/30/2016 4:35:27 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: 4rcane
Self defense is racist

Clearly, because of disparate outcomes. Call the DOJ.

30 posted on 04/30/2016 4:40:24 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (The would-be Empress has no clothes. My eyes!)
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To: arthurus

Why does it have to be a male? Yes I typed trail instead of trial. Was tired. Had been up all day working and posting. Please forgive my mistype.


31 posted on 04/30/2016 4:46:34 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I leave judgement to God. Arranging the meeting only expedites justice


32 posted on 04/30/2016 5:02:08 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

But denies you the right to Life, Liberty, an Pursuit of Happiness Dummo!


33 posted on 04/30/2016 5:08:23 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: Joe Boucher

My family policy is to keep shooting until they quilt flopping.


34 posted on 04/30/2016 5:28:09 AM PDT by mcshot (The "Greatest Generation" would never have allowed the trashing of our Republic.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Abortion is illegal because it denies the baby the right to a fair trial.


35 posted on 04/30/2016 5:56:54 AM PDT by goodwithagun (March 3, 2016: The date FReepers justified the "goodness" of Planned Parenthood.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
If you have a minute, check out the comments section at the bottom of the article.

There are some very intelligent responses to this BS that a citizen has a responsibility to make sure that there is due process for an aggressive criminal in a situation of defending one's life.

36 posted on 04/30/2016 6:11:13 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Allahu FUBAR.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I live in a rural area, with only a few sheriff’s deputies to patrol hundreds of square miles. Law enforcement officers only clean up the aftereffects of any crime. Not complaining, it’s just the way it is. That being said, any criminal thug stupid enough to break into my home is only entitled to the business end of my gun and its appropriate ammunition. Thank you, Texas Castle Doctrine.

Even before this was made state law, a former county sheriff would let the rural residents know his office could not get to anyone in time to stop a crime. He said shoot first and drag the body inside. He may have been law enforcement, but he was a realist first and foremost.


37 posted on 04/30/2016 6:17:30 AM PDT by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: Rapscallion; OddLane; Robert DeLong; Don W; Joe Boucher; Jonty30; Blennos; fruser1; Jacquerie; ...

We are in danger. It’s coming. Citizens need to prepare for the moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tNQ9upvMTk&feature=youtu.be

Anti-Trump illegal aliens terrorize young American woman in her car: they hit, kick, spit, & vandalize her car. She sits petrified wondering whether her windows will hold or she will be ripped to pieces by the mob. 4/28/16

America’s nightmare 2016
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38 posted on 04/30/2016 6:53:08 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Absolutely disgraceful.


39 posted on 04/30/2016 7:12:45 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
ericans have no legal right to shoot a violent attacker because it violates the criminal’s right to a fair trial!

If a violent criminal attacks me I do not want him to have a fair trial. I want him dead via 100 grains of lead moving at 1475 feet per second.

40 posted on 04/30/2016 7:19:53 AM PDT by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, MUDMAN GEOLOGIST PILOT PHARMACIST LIBERTARIAN, CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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