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Apple forced to install back door for iPhones.
self | 02/17/2016 | self

Posted on 02/17/2016 4:51:49 PM PST by Leo Carpathian

We see tremendous push from government for Apple to facilitate back door access to encryption on phones. This apparently to crack the terrorist's iPhone to find out who are their contacts, etc. This appears to be excuse to bypass privacy of phone users under the guise of security. Feds were ignorant to traffic around the terrorist's house. Now the phone is the key to find out who are their contacts? What does the phone reveal that records at the service provider, log of phone calls, doesn't? Where is the NSA and their records and alerts of possible terrorist activity? I can see record of my phone calls at Verizon, time and phone numbers and messages. GPS tracking programs show history of movement of cell phone, don't need the encryption off phone. Smells like another big lie from big brother in order to gain control of citizen's privacy. What happened to Hillary's private server and communications covered by NSA???


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1 posted on 02/17/2016 4:51:49 PM PST by Leo Carpathian
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To: Leo Carpathian

Technically they aren’t asking for a backdoor, they are asking for an OS update to be loaded onto this phone.

Either way bad juju for personal liberty.


2 posted on 02/17/2016 4:54:43 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (Trump: "Planned Parenthood does wonderful things")
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To: Leo Carpathian
"Smells like another big lie from big brother in order to gain control of citizen's privacy."

Untold billions have been spent on the FBI, CIA, NSA and every other freakin' three-letter agency in the federal gov't and they can't crack an iPhone? Can we get our money back?

3 posted on 02/17/2016 4:57:20 PM PST by Flag_This (You can't spell "treason" without the "O".)
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To: big'ol_freeper

This is an attempt to get the camels nose under the tent. They know it and we know it.


4 posted on 02/17/2016 4:58:41 PM PST by catbertz
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To: Leo Carpathian

Maybe if we say “please” the Chinese will tell us what’s on it.


5 posted on 02/17/2016 4:59:31 PM PST by Flag_This (You can't spell "treason" without the "O".)
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To: big'ol_freeper

True, the personal liberty of the dead terrorist is very threatened.


6 posted on 02/17/2016 5:01:32 PM PST by A CA Guy (Are God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Leo Carpathian

ISIS to move to strings and tomato soup cans.


7 posted on 02/17/2016 5:03:45 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Trump for me. I want to see Hillary, Bernie or any demoncrap crushed)
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To: Leo Carpathian

The only reason I have no problems with this one device is that it was his employer’s phone. It is not your privacy if your employer is paying for it.


8 posted on 02/17/2016 5:06:27 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Leo Carpathian

Pretty humorous that Apple is being forced to go in through the back door considering who their CEO is.


9 posted on 02/17/2016 5:07:26 PM PST by KevinB (Barack Obama: Our first black, gay, Kenyan, Socialist, Muslim president!)
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To: Leo Carpathian

honestly, why do people make such a big deal? No, ordinary Americans don’t have to worry. Only Radical Islamic Terrorists need worry. The liberals who either think roses not government should protect America or whose hearts bleed for Islams are aiding the enemy.


10 posted on 02/17/2016 5:08:00 PM PST by TraditionalMerica
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What if Apple says: give us this particular phone.

We will dump it and give you the contents. That’s all, no ‘tool’ or back door.

Problem is that Apple will have demonstrated the ability to get into a phone, and ... caved and set a prescedent.


11 posted on 02/17/2016 5:08:03 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (As always, /s is implicitly assumed. Unless explicitly labled /not s. Saves keystrokes.)
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To: Leo Carpathian

Clearly, you know little about cyber security including what a “back door” is. The FBI is NOT asking Apple for a back door.


12 posted on 02/17/2016 5:09:53 PM PST by House Atreides (CRUZ or lose!)
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To: TraditionalMerica
honestly, why do people make such a big deal? No, ordinary Americans don’t have to worry. Only Radical Islamic Terrorists need worry. The liberals who either think roses not government should protect America or whose hearts bleed for Islams are aiding the enemy.

We're living in the era when the Justice Department has been politicized and weaponized. Ever hear of Lois Lerner?

13 posted on 02/17/2016 5:10:10 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: big'ol_freeper
Technically they aren't asking for a backdoor, they are asking for an OS update to be loaded onto this phone. Either way bad juju for personal liberty.

Yeah, an OS update CONTAINING a backdoor.

What was your point?

14 posted on 02/17/2016 5:10:30 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: blackdog

Then the employer can crack it. Like you said, it’s the employer’s phone, not Apple’s.


15 posted on 02/17/2016 5:11:16 PM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: A CA Guy
True, the personal liberty of the dead terrorist is very threatened.

No. Yours are. The terrorists are dead.

Apple sought to make their phones very secure for their customers so they did what no one else has done before with commercial encryption... they removed themselves from the equation. They don't have a key to the encryption. This is a personal device and even the manufacturer doesn't have the ability to pry into your private affairs.

The government doesn't like that and has been trying to change that through many varied attempts. This is another attempt. There is nothing likely to be gained from the iPhone that hasn't already been gained through cell carriers and ISPs... unless there are some incriminating duck-face selfies. This case gives them a wedge issue to get people to see Apple as the bad guy rather than the privacy advocates they are.

If the government gets their way and Apple devises a way to hack their own devices, then no one's device is secure anymore--from government or criminals.

16 posted on 02/17/2016 5:12:15 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Leo Carpathian

The other 400 stories about this were not enough?


17 posted on 02/17/2016 5:12:57 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: TraditionalMerica
honestly, why do people make such a big deal? No, ordinary Americans don't have to worry. Only Radical Islamic Terrorists need worry. The liberals who either think roses not government should protect America or whose hearts bleed for Islams are aiding the enemy

I really hope you're a paid shill. The idea that someone as genuinely stupid as you pretend to be has access to a computer is frightening.

18 posted on 02/17/2016 5:13:01 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Leo Carpathian

private companies shouldn’t be compelled to help the gov’t investigate. the gov’t can hire their own geeks.


19 posted on 02/17/2016 5:13:10 PM PST by exist
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To: Leo Carpathian

I think it should only be allowed WITH a warrant.

The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing, as always they hit a good balance: yes, sometimes it will be necessary for the state, in self preservation, to intrude to the greatest degree- but ONLY when the reason it needs to do so and the basis it has for the belief that doing so will yield usable and pertinent data is supported by facts and examined by a judge (and ideally any interested party).

Wiretapping, reading mail, breaking a phone - if the government cannot clearly state why and what well enough that you and I would agree with it then hell no. If they can then such is a necessary thing. It’s really just common sense that was perfectly well understood 200 years before such a thing as an iPhone.


20 posted on 02/17/2016 5:13:57 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Better questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.)
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